Which PHEV?

[jason61c]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

That is actually quite funny, well done. What do you think of the 252hp 330i?

Erm, I thought it had a circa 180bhp petrol engine? not 252+the electric motor?

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

jason61c said:

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

That is actually quite funny, well done. What do you think of the 252hp 330i?

Erm, I thought it had a circa 180bhp petrol engine? not 252+the electric motor?

Then, once again, you thought wrong. But no worries.

[jason61c]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

jason61c said:

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

That is actually quite funny, well done. What do you think of the 252hp 330i?

Erm, I thought it had a circa 180bhp petrol engine? not 252+the electric motor?

Then, once again, you thought wrong. But no worries.

I was wrong, I was thinking KW. I'm not sure why you're so sensitive though?

[robemcdonald]

jason61c said:

robemcdonald said:

Didn't know a lot about the Volvo as it wasn't announced when's made my choice.

Looking into it there see to be a couple of potential problems:

1. It's AWD which will prevent it being a choice for a large percentage of company car drivers.
2. In the affordable, but basic SE poverty spec its performance (0-60 in 6.7 seconds particuarly) make it closer to a rep spec BMW orMerc.
3. The quicker r design version is hilariously priced at £53,000. The base price of a Tesla model S.

1. Its not AWD, its got the facility to be with enough charge for a limited range, same as the bmw 225xe etc. Its made for company car drivers, not sure why its not suited? Its also got a normal 500+mile range.

2. They only do it in SE Nav spec, which is better specced than the c350e and bmw 330e, proper leather for a start, 6.7 to 60 is still quick, as quick as the merc estate, its also got more combined torque for the useful areas of 40-80mph. Its real world quick.

3. The d6 version isn't the one being discussed, its a bonkers price, but did come out a few years ago.

Edited by jason61c on Sunday 24th July 08:48

1.Lots of companies don't allow AWD. Including the last 3 I have worked for.
2. Check the Volvo website. You can get it in 3 Trim levels. Also the merc estate is 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, so almost a second quicker than the Volvo. Also the SE sat nav screen is tiny
3. It's the d5 listed on the website.

If you want to argue with the facts and figures take it up with Volvo although presumably they know their range.

[jason61c]

You can only get the v60 d5 twin engine in one spec...

http://www.volvocars.com/uk/buy/design-and-buy/car...

Not sure on the D6 but its far far too expensive anyway. If you've seen the d5 twin engine in any other spec please put up a link as I might change the spec of an order. Even volvo seem to only have it listed in the one spec.


I'm not going to worry about .7 of a second, i'd take the midrange grunt and proper leather etc. The screen isn't the largest but its not too small, especially when the dash is configurable.

Its not classed as AWD, not even by volvo, just like some of the bmw PHEV's, its got the facility to offer it.

Edited by jason61c on Sunday 24th July 14:30

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

jason61c said:

I was wrong, I was thinking KW. I'm not sure why you're so sensitive though?

You are wrong about facts very often, strange. But forget about my sensitivity, it is only you I am worried about.

You have had a pop at every car and shot down people who have them. Golf was small and costly, bmw was common, has a small boot and crap spec. Merc is ok on a motorway but was too expensive on fuel. You even distort the facts about these cars to make it seem worse. But then you order a heavy oil burning, tractor type, pre-historic geared, slow off the mark, terrible standard spec which you claim is the mutt's, least value for money hybrid option on the market. But seemingly because it has nice leather I am simply worried it will not live up to your ideals and you won't enjoy it.

But I take some solice from it all, the volvo hybrid may never be common.

And yes, my sensitivity has gone and my tongue is firmly in my cheek

[jason61c]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

jason61c said:

I was wrong, I was thinking KW. I'm not sure why you're so sensitive though?

You are wrong about facts very often, strange. But forget about my sensitivity, it is only you I am worried about.

You have had a pop at every car and shot down people who have them. Golf was small and costly, bmw was common, has a small boot and crap spec. Merc is ok on a motorway but was too expensive on fuel. You even distort the facts about these cars to make it seem worse. But then you order a heavy oil burning, tractor type, pre-historic geared, slow off the mark, terrible standard spec which you claim is the mutt's, least value for money hybrid option on the market. But seemingly because it has nice leather I am simply worried it will not live up to your ideals and you won't enjoy it.

But I take some solice from it all, the volvo hybrid may never be common.

And yes, my sensitivity has gone and my tongue is firmly in my cheek

I've not had a pop at every car, just had a go of them and gave an opinion, not really 'shot anyone down'. Different cars suit different uses. We're all just enjoying the lower BIK payments.

The merc is lovely, just doesn't have great long range motorway mpg.... bit of a fact. I only swapped an order because of it.

0-62 even in a 'heavy oil burning tractor' in 6.7 is very slow isn't it? Not sure what 'pre-historic' geared means?

I'm terribly sorry I was thinking of KW not BHP, I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

[robemcdonald]

Having rechecked the d5 is only available in SE spec. So my post fits in with a lot of others in being factually incorrect.
My c350e does have proper leather though.

[jason61c]

robemcdonald said:

Having rechecked the d5 is only available in SE spec. So my post fits in with a lot of others in being factually incorrect.
My c350e does have proper leather though.

The volvo website isn't that clear is it!? I think they call it SE nav spec, however its also spec that you only get with the twin engine.

The c350e with leather is very nice, its just a shame it wasn't standard fit, although the standard interior is very nice.

[Ruxpin]

jason61c said:

The volvo website isn't that clear is it!? I think they call it SE nav spec, however its also spec that you only get with the twin engine.

The c350e with leather is very nice, its just a shame it wasn't standard fit, although the standard interior is very nice.

My experience of the dealer knowledge from VW, MB and BMW was pretty poor, Volvo seem no better. There are some specific things about the Merc that the dealers don't seem to be aware of - eg wheel diameter/tow bar affecting CO and BIK.

There isn't much wrong with the "man-made" fake leather in my C350e, it is certainly better than the real stuff in an E9x BMW. Plus probably harder wearing. I'm pleased real leather isn't a "no cost" inclusion factored into the price of the car....

Still intrigued by the diesel electric hybrid tech and how it will work re dpf. With the higher mpg they should achieve not charged they could be of interest to some of our site based employees but the argument of "its a company car i don't car about relibility/residual" etc doesn't really help as we buy our cars rather than lease and the costs to the company do matter.

[The Beaver King]

Ruxpin said:

Still intrigued by the diesel electric hybrid tech and how it will work re dpf. With the higher mpg they should achieve not charged they could be of interest to some of our site based employees but the argument of "its a company car i don't car about relibility/residual" etc doesn't really help as we buy our cars rather than lease and the costs to the company do matter.

Same here; it seems like quite an obvious pairing for hybrid technology, all the long range cruising ability of diesel coupled with electric for those stop/start moments. I'm wondering why it hasn't been picked up or already launched by any of the big players yet (VAG/Merc/GM/BMW/Toyota)? There must be a technical reason and, no offence to Volvo, but they're hardly at the forefront of innovation these days.

The Japanese have been pushing really hard on eco-hybrids* for a few years, so why haven't they released any diesel hybrids?

• By eco-hybrid, I mean the type that focus purely on best mpg return (most of the Japanese manufacturers, for example). The Germans seem to be more focused on performance-hybrids.

[sawman]

The Beaver King said:

Same here; it seems like quite an obvious pairing for hybrid technology, all the long range cruising ability of diesel coupled with electric for those stop/start moments. I'm wondering why it hasn't been picked up or already launched by any of the big players yet (VAG/Merc/GM/BMW/Toyota)? There must be a technical reason and, no offence to Volvo, but they're hardly at the forefront of innovation these days.

The Japanese have been pushing really hard on eco-hybrids* for a few years, so why haven't they released any diesel hybrids?

• By eco-hybrid, I mean the type that focus purely on best mpg return (most of the Japanese manufacturers, for example). The Germans seem to be more focused on performance-hybrids.

Been pondering this myself, volvo are the only ones as far as i can see that have mated diesel to hybrid, and possibly more telling the new xc90 has a petrol ice. The japanese always seem to have been relatively shy of diesel, but one would imagine the germans would have done diesel if it was the all around best option ( cost/nvh etc). Having driven the d5 twin engine i am not entirely convinced that silent electric and 5pot diesel are comfortable bedfellows. Regards dpf the volvo sales chap said that volvo as a whole havent had much of a problem with dpf.