Electric cars/hybrids - a dead end?
Discussion
otolith said:
MarshPhantom said:
Why has PH become overrun with evangelical EV types?
This is a topic on the EV and alternative fuels forum discussing hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles versus battery electric vehicles - do you expect it to be about V8s?MarshPhantom said:
No, just some people react badly to criticism of EVs. You clearly have to be a "Belieber".
If you don't see the inevitability of EVs then you are in denial. I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to see the demise of the IC engine. It will be a very sad day. But EVs are going to happen and they will eventually dominate the car market. And, sadly, I can also foresee a day, with the development of autonomous vehicles, when humans will be deemed too unreliable to be allowed to drive cars of public roads.
Edited by RBH58 on Friday 10th March 08:46
RBH58 said:
If you don't see the inevitability of EVs then you are in denial. I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to see the demise of the IC engine. It will be a very sad day. But EVs are going to happen and they will eventually dominate the car market.
As someone said a hundred years ago "the invention of the petrol engine will not see the end of the horse"Edited by RBH58 on Friday 10th March 08:46
EV, and more significantly, the rise of autonomous EV will eventually see the petrol engine relegated to largely a leisure activity. PHEV is just a stepping stone on that path and some PHEV models may bridge the function/fun need.
Its going to be like music.
Vinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
Vinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
Edited by JonV8V on Friday 10th March 18:01
JonV8V said:
Its going to be like music.
Vinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
I hope you are rightVinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
Edited by JonV8V on Friday 10th March 18:01
RBH58 said:
JonV8V said:
Its going to be like music.
Vinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
I hope you are rightVinyl records were the petrol engine. Cassette was the diesel engine. Along came CD and thats the EV car. Cassette (diesel) will be dead except like tape it will still have a role in some very niche situations, usually industrial.
Vinyl equivalent in the future will be the fun petrol car for a thrash in the country or around track, something that is not mainstream but is more involving, purist, analogue, but in other ways compromised, less convenient. The CD (or EV car) will take hold but ultimately a completely different way of doing transport will come along like not owning the car at all, but renting consumption, just like spotify.
Edited by JonV8V on Friday 10th March 18:01
Even on here nobody will mourn the end of mid range 4 pot ICE's powering 4/5 door euroboxes.
I suspect the death of the ICE will be a very long time coming. Remember that they also power a great number of things - buses, HGVs and personal transport like scooters etc.
The key issue against the ICE is concentrations of emmissions in city centres. It is the comparatively wealthy city-centre workers who are able to afford to buy an EV-second car or plug-in hybrid to get them round the need to use public transport, or, God forbid, a pedal cycle which, in reality, is rapidly becoming the fastest way to get arround congested cities like London, or Paris.
I live in rural France, wages are low, public transport virtually non-existent, yet travel distances are comparatively high. The ICE will be serving this community for many years to come - it's the only game in town. The fact that most electric power here is generated by nuclear is almost irrelevant. If tax revenue from falling use of hydro-carbons becomes a problem you can be certain that it will be recovered from motorists in other ways. It is still a huge element of public revenue.
The key issue against the ICE is concentrations of emmissions in city centres. It is the comparatively wealthy city-centre workers who are able to afford to buy an EV-second car or plug-in hybrid to get them round the need to use public transport, or, God forbid, a pedal cycle which, in reality, is rapidly becoming the fastest way to get arround congested cities like London, or Paris.
I live in rural France, wages are low, public transport virtually non-existent, yet travel distances are comparatively high. The ICE will be serving this community for many years to come - it's the only game in town. The fact that most electric power here is generated by nuclear is almost irrelevant. If tax revenue from falling use of hydro-carbons becomes a problem you can be certain that it will be recovered from motorists in other ways. It is still a huge element of public revenue.
Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff