Fiat 500e

[scottydoesntknow]

Saw this over on Reddit. 2020 Fiat 500e.



From the Reddit thread:

Some technical specs have emerged: 42kWh battery, 320 km WLTP range and 118 hp electric motor. 50 km of range available in 5 minutes with fast charging (85 kW), 80% of range available in 35 minutes. Level 2 Autonomous driving capabilities should come as standard.

Special launch edition Is rumoured to cost 37000€ before incentives. However it will be a top spec one. A 90 hp version is set to arrive, and this, together with the lower spec version makes me guess something around 20k € for base spec versions after incentives. Please keep in mind that the newly introduced 500 mild hybrid starts at around 17000€, and it is based on a platform born in 2007. All in all, the 500e will cost as the abarth 500 more or less, but with far more advanced tech and safety. It will not spark mass electric adoption, but it is aligned to the Electric mini and to the smart fortwo eq, having considerable higher range than the second one

[scottydoesntknow]

[aestetix1]

Interesting development. The first model was terrible, a poor fossil conversion. It looks like they are taking it more seriously now.

[Zed Ed]

I’ll have mine in blue.

Likely to be my first EV and ideal for the mostly suburban London use that my current 500 twinair is put to.

At those prices it’s going to be a heart rather than head purchase.....

[Dave Hedgehog]

the colour of that top one looks fantastic

[Evanivitch]

Fair play, 42kWh in a Fiat 500 size, from a company not known for their EV history, is a good packaging job.

I think the MINI and the 500 might be the start of 'fashionable' EVs.

[RobDickinson]

All new - all electric FIAT 500 now available to pre-order

Upto 199 miles of range (WLTP)
42kwh battery pack
£32,500 before PiCG https://t.co/UNS9SJhdGf

[scottydoesntknow]

Dave Hedgehog said:

the colour of that top one looks fantastic

Epic isn’t it.

What’s the grant? £3,5k?

Edited by scottydoesntknow on Wednesday 4th March 17:36

[essayer]

I think this will sell well, great city car

[aestetix1]

RobDickinson said:

All new - all electric FIAT 500 now available to pre-order

Upto 199 miles of range (WLTP)
42kwh battery pack
£32,500 before PiCG https://t.co/UNS9SJhdGf

Hmm, assuming 40kWh usable that would be 5 mi/kWh. For that shape I'd expect closer to 4, so maybe 150-160 miles if you are a decently efficient driver. Not bad.

Price is rather high for a Fiat 500 though, for that much it will be competing directly against the Honda e and Mini Electric, and the Leaf 62 if you need more range. I was expecting it to be in the Zoe/MG ZS EV price bracket.

[MOBB]

They don't seem to be able to get these small EV's down to much below £30k do they - I wonder if the public will spend that on something that is much(?) cheaper in petrol guise? "£30k for a Fiat 500!!!" etc etc?

You can get an i3s for similar money

Looks nice though imo

[sjg]

MOBB said:

They don't seem to be able to get these small EV's down to much below £30k do they - I wonder if the public will spend that on something that is much(?) cheaper in petrol guise? "£30k for a Fiat 500!!!" etc etc?

You can get an i3s for similar money

Looks nice though imo

The Up/Mii/Citigo are hitting sub-£20k.

I imagine while the market is still early adopter / eccentrics it makes more sense to go upmarket with this initially (the Honda E / Mini sort of market), then look to bring in more basic and cheaper variants later.

Interesting that the Fiat badging seems to have disappeared entirely. 500 on the nose and steering wheel instead.

[danp]

MOBB said:

They don't seem to be able to get these small EV's down to much below £30k do they - I wonder if the public will spend that on something that is much(?) cheaper in petrol guise? "£30k for a Fiat 500!!!" etc etc?

You can get an i3s for similar money

Looks nice though imo

VW e-Up starts at circa £20k and the Skoda Citigo around £17k (after grant) for 37kWh so this looks rather pricey to me.

[MOBB]

danp said:

MOBB said:

They don't seem to be able to get these small EV's down to much below £30k do they - I wonder if the public will spend that on something that is much(?) cheaper in petrol guise? "£30k for a Fiat 500!!!" etc etc?

You can get an i3s for similar money

Looks nice though imo

VW e-Up starts at circa £20k and the Skoda Citigo around £17k (after grant) for 37kWh so this looks rather pricey to me.

That's more like it, still a significant hike over the petrols but at least its reasonable.

An E-Up! GTi with 150 "bhp" or so would be a right hoot I reckon

[aestetix1]

MOBB said:

They don't seem to be able to get these small EV's down to much below £30k do they

Apart from the Leaf 40, Zoe, MG ZS EV, e-Up, Citigo, Mii, Honda e etc. then yeah I guess that's true.

The Leaf 40 can be had for around 20k now, MG is around 22k, Honda e is 26k.

[MOBB]

^ fair enough, in my mind the Honda e was over £30k, damn my crap memory :-/

Will be interesting to see the uptake compared to petrol versions

My household is 100% EV and the leap was well worth it to me

[Zed Ed]

Fiat website states that the car is bigger; anyone got any exact dimensions?

I thought so looking at the blue car picture, although the geezer could have been little.

Do we take it that electric cars will always carry a price premium or are we just short of production scale to bring prices down?

Seems to have interesting equipment and i presume cabin quality will see a big up tick.

[Evanivitch]

Zed Ed said:

Do we take it that electric cars will always carry a price premium or are we just short of production scale to bring prices down?

Combination of things. At the moment, most the car manufacturers are struggling for battery production capacity, so prices remain fairly buoyant, Tesla probably have the least of this as an issue.

Obviously, Cobalt is used in many (but by no means all) battery types and it has increased in price too, increasing raw material costs.

Also worth mentioning that battery capacity hasn't plateaued yet. The Leaf has gone from 22, 30, 40 and now 60 kWh. If they built (and could sell) a 22kWh car today it would be significantly cheaper.

[Otispunkmeyer]

We’ve still got ways to go on the price per kWh as well... next few years we should hit that $100 mark which is where many think the price parity will happen.

[RobDickinson]

Zed Ed said:

Fiat website states that the car is bigger; anyone got any exact dimensions?

heard it was like 1cm longer or something, so not much bigger.

IMo its £5k too much