Would you buy a non-EV ever again?
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Pica-Pica said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Prefer to stop on rare long Journeys generally in summer rather than fill the tank once a week that then makes the commute longer in all weathers…
The convenience thing is a myth IMO. It genuinely annoys me if driving ICE to work only to realise you need fuel
In the morning or on the way back.
Or, for me, only need to fill tank up once a month, rather than charge every night ‘just in case’. The convenience thing is a myth IMO. It genuinely annoys me if driving ICE to work only to realise you need fuel
In the morning or on the way back.
kwits who don't know what side their fuel cap is on / morons who take the first empty pump rather than the empty one in front / spilt diesel on soles of my shoes........you see where I'm going with this 
.Longy00000 said:
^^^^^^^^this
I don't understand that thoughtbprocess at all. Spending 5 mins filling up with fuel annoys so much but having to charge up for 5 times longer(?) And probably more frequently too doesn't??
I say that given most EV have a smaller range than most ICE so need charged more frequently.
I get you may prefer EV , I can get that but the reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
People asked me at football one night in the post game drinks when asked how long it takes me to charge and I said 20 seconds… their heads look like they were about to explode. I don't understand that thoughtbprocess at all. Spending 5 mins filling up with fuel annoys so much but having to charge up for 5 times longer(?) And probably more frequently too doesn't??
I say that given most EV have a smaller range than most ICE so need charged more frequently.
I get you may prefer EV , I can get that but the reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
Rather than joining the practical debates (as they've been done to death on other threads) I'll fork into the emotional with an anecdote from yesterday evening.
I write as a house of one EV (wife's) and one ICE (mine).
I have two kids <10 years old. They are fiercely environmentally conscious. They love my wife's car (as do I for 99.999% of driving these days!), and are pressuring me to go EV as soon as possible (which may take a while, financially).
However, we were driving in between swimming lessons and I spotted a Lamborghini Hurácan at the next roundabout. I lowered the windows and pointed it out to them. Visually, they ooohd and aaahd, then started full on giggling as it gave it some beans for our aural pleasure.
They still want me to go EV, but also want to see and hear more Lamborghinis.
So, unless I can become a three car household and add a toy, we will be fully EV in time, with no intention to go back given their superiority in delivering relaxed driving in road conditions that make it increasingly challenging to have good ol' fashioned automobile-based fun. But given the chance, an d Atom or Lambo will make its way into my garage...
I write as a house of one EV (wife's) and one ICE (mine).
I have two kids <10 years old. They are fiercely environmentally conscious. They love my wife's car (as do I for 99.999% of driving these days!), and are pressuring me to go EV as soon as possible (which may take a while, financially).
However, we were driving in between swimming lessons and I spotted a Lamborghini Hurácan at the next roundabout. I lowered the windows and pointed it out to them. Visually, they ooohd and aaahd, then started full on giggling as it gave it some beans for our aural pleasure.
They still want me to go EV, but also want to see and hear more Lamborghinis.
So, unless I can become a three car household and add a toy, we will be fully EV in time, with no intention to go back given their superiority in delivering relaxed driving in road conditions that make it increasingly challenging to have good ol' fashioned automobile-based fun. But given the chance, an d Atom or Lambo will make its way into my garage...
JonnyVTEC said:
Gary C said:
Surely its worse if you realise your EV is flat and you need to go somewhere.
I’m talking 2 years of experience rather than guessing. I’ve never realised EV is flat. If that ever happened I would take the ICE. Ha. Now, I imagine you mean more that you never have a flat battery for the use you make of your EV, and that makes sense but to me, just not they way you wrote it.
Probably going to buy an ICE for my next car.
I’m two years into a Model 3 Performance, and it’s been great. I like the car, and I like the ease of driving it all over the country thanks to a charging network that works. I really like the running costs.
However, I’m becoming less enamoured as time goes on with the simple things (lights! wipers!) not working very well, and Tesla’s seemingly silly decisions like the recent one that forces on auto lights when using adaptive cruise. Particularly when the auto lights are crap.
I’ve got this car till next Christmas, and given the type of driving I do, often away from home in hotels for work, all over the country, the only EV that currently makes that really easy is a Tesla. But I don’t really want another until they get their st together a bit better.
So I think I’m going to treat myself to an F-Type R for a couple of years, just for a bit of fun, and then revisit EV when there’s a better selection of cars that suit my use case.
I’m two years into a Model 3 Performance, and it’s been great. I like the car, and I like the ease of driving it all over the country thanks to a charging network that works. I really like the running costs.
However, I’m becoming less enamoured as time goes on with the simple things (lights! wipers!) not working very well, and Tesla’s seemingly silly decisions like the recent one that forces on auto lights when using adaptive cruise. Particularly when the auto lights are crap.
I’ve got this car till next Christmas, and given the type of driving I do, often away from home in hotels for work, all over the country, the only EV that currently makes that really easy is a Tesla. But I don’t really want another until they get their s
t together a bit better. So I think I’m going to treat myself to an F-Type R for a couple of years, just for a bit of fun, and then revisit EV when there’s a better selection of cars that suit my use case.
Once I've finally got my EV, I won't be going back to ICE. I far prefer the drive of EVs - whenever I go back to driving my current car after driving my wife's e-golf and losing the instant response I just find frustrating.
EVs are just a much more elegant engineering solution to moving a car in daily driving.
I'll hang onto the TVR though for weekend noise
EVs are just a much more elegant engineering solution to moving a car in daily driving.
I'll hang onto the TVR though for weekend noise
Longy00000 said:
I don't understand that thoughtbprocess at all. Spending 5 mins filling up with fuel annoys so much but having to charge up for 5 times longer(?) And probably more frequently too doesn't??
If you have a home charger, charging an EV is much more convenient than filling up an ICE car. If you don't then obviously it's a different story.Shaoxter said:
Longy00000 said:
I don't understand that thoughtbprocess at all. Spending 5 mins filling up with fuel annoys so much but having to charge up for 5 times longer(?) And probably more frequently too doesn't??
If you have a home charger, charging an EV is much more convenient than filling up an ICE car. If you don't then obviously it's a different story.Collectively my entire time spent using public chargers is less than the total time I'd have spent at petrol stations - and unlike at petrol stations, as my car charges for 20-30 minutes I'm busy scoffing a big Mac or KFC, or doing some shopping etc.
sixor8 said:
Are you making no allowance for running costs or depreciation? In an ICE car comes up that's cheap to run, you would rule it out completely?
I'd have an EV if they were cheap enough (only decent ones IMO like a Leaf are £6k second hand and an e Golf is £20k) but in 2020 I bought a car made in 1975 for under £2k, yes it runs! £0 VED, £80 in insure, MoT exempt.
Yes, it's poor on fuel but 'in the round,' cheaper than spending £20k on an EV no matter how cheap charging may be. I'm only doing about 3k miles a year these days, so for me, a new EV would make no economic sense.
Yes, but if you want to always drive a nearly new car, the costs are comparable. Nobody is suggesting an old banger is cheaper than a brand new car in any sense! I'd have an EV if they were cheap enough (only decent ones IMO like a Leaf are £6k second hand and an e Golf is £20k) but in 2020 I bought a car made in 1975 for under £2k, yes it runs! £0 VED, £80 in insure, MoT exempt.
Yes, it's poor on fuel but 'in the round,' cheaper than spending £20k on an EV no matter how cheap charging may be. I'm only doing about 3k miles a year these days, so for me, a new EV would make no economic sense.
I've had an EV for a week now, have done around 300 miles and it's cost me £8.75, and that was mostly because I wanted to see how a rapid charger works. I've got another 150 miles sitting inside the car right now ready to go. For a car that is meant to just go A to B around a city with minimum fuss, it's fantastic.
I guess I am not unique here, but we recently sold our i3 and got what we paid for it after 2 years and nearly 20,000 miles of motoring. So now currently EV-less household. But have 2 cars and needed the spare cash / reduced monthly costs, so decided to get the money out of the BMW.
Will we have another EV? Yep. Just not quite yet thats all. Need to let a few things settle here first and paying for my daughters way through college, so dropping $40k+ on a car is towards the bottom of the purchase list. But I can imagine that a lot of other buyers who had an EV will return to one in the next few years.
Will we have another EV? Yep. Just not quite yet thats all. Need to let a few things settle here first and paying for my daughters way through college, so dropping $40k+ on a car is towards the bottom of the purchase list. But I can imagine that a lot of other buyers who had an EV will return to one in the next few years.
EV ownership is for those with eyes wide open currently. we got one knowing 99% of our use will be using charge done at home on a still very cheap rate. however, i'm currently in the 1% on holiday in anglesey. to say north wales isn't ready for the EV revolution is an understatement. 5G signal on a55... no problem. anywhere with working chargers.... nope.
we drove through that horrible weather front that went through the country yesterday and we had a roof box on for the first time. reckon it hit the range by 25% so we needed a splash n dash at a fast charger. stopped at an ecotricity charger (don't do this) and the CCS and Chademo connectors were out of order, and the type 2 was putting in 1kWh every 10 mins. fortunately 15 mins was enough to put in the charge we needed to get to the rented place where we've pre agreed with the landlord to charge the car off a 3 pin charger we borrowed for the week. looking to stop at a gridserve charger on the way home if needed.
however, met a guy who had just been given a Japanese EV by his employer. looked nice, but it won't take a CCS plug. he was at the charger i was about to vacate and he was on 0 range with a charger putting out 6kW if that. he had no idea about charging and his other half who was following in a diesel was just laughing at him. i reckon he'd have needed to sit on that charger for 40mins to get enough charge just to get him to a mcdonald's near bangor to get a fast charge. this at 5pm on a friday evening, so i'd wager there was someone on that charger when he arrived. he had literally no idea about EV ownership, no consideration about charging at home, no knowledge of zap map type apps, different connectors, etc.
we need to get to the stage where fast chargers are much more accessible and maintenance way better. also, why have japanese car makers carried on with chademo for fast charging?
we drove through that horrible weather front that went through the country yesterday and we had a roof box on for the first time. reckon it hit the range by 25% so we needed a splash n dash at a fast charger. stopped at an ecotricity charger (don't do this) and the CCS and Chademo connectors were out of order, and the type 2 was putting in 1kWh every 10 mins. fortunately 15 mins was enough to put in the charge we needed to get to the rented place where we've pre agreed with the landlord to charge the car off a 3 pin charger we borrowed for the week. looking to stop at a gridserve charger on the way home if needed.
however, met a guy who had just been given a Japanese EV by his employer. looked nice, but it won't take a CCS plug. he was at the charger i was about to vacate and he was on 0 range with a charger putting out 6kW if that. he had no idea about charging and his other half who was following in a diesel was just laughing at him. i reckon he'd have needed to sit on that charger for 40mins to get enough charge just to get him to a mcdonald's near bangor to get a fast charge. this at 5pm on a friday evening, so i'd wager there was someone on that charger when he arrived. he had literally no idea about EV ownership, no consideration about charging at home, no knowledge of zap map type apps, different connectors, etc.
we need to get to the stage where fast chargers are much more accessible and maintenance way better. also, why have japanese car makers carried on with chademo for fast charging?
Edited by tamore on Saturday 1st October 10:52
tamore said:
he'd have needed to sit on that charger for 40mins to get enough charge just to get him to a mcdonald's near bangor to get a fast charge. this at 5pm on a friday evening, so i'd wager there was someone on that charger when he arrived.
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