Tesla Y or...?
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Evanivitch said:
There's like a dozen open-to-all superchargers now? And they're not immune to queues and waits too, even out at J36 M4 I've seen Tesla's queuing.
But even then, the Ioniq5/EV6 have the ability to maximise their power output.
From my experience - I have never seen a Tesla Charger station with a queue.But even then, the Ioniq5/EV6 have the ability to maximise their power output.
That is not the same for the chargers elsewhere on main Trunk roads / service stations
I don’t understand your second point. To ‘maximise their power output’ ?
Is the charge point output not the limiting factor. How many not Tesla chargers are of a comparable charge rate ?
Anyway, we’ll disagree on this but I am speaking from my own experience of ownership
Familymad said:
The switch to EV isn’t black and white now with the price of electric at home and away. I had my annual meeting with the accountant and the EV purchase was discussed at length. We are both car bores.
He drives a PHEV X5 and took the 5% BIK. I was thinking model Y but majority of our 20k this year was to lakes and back to Bucks. One charge in milder weather, two in cold winter. We cruised up here in one tank and a 10 min toilet stop last week and it’s got me pondering once again about why I would be giving that up. Motorway speeds are also not markedly different for wind and road noise with an EV versus petrol.
I filled up at £1.65 litre (£72) and did the 305 miles with 1/4 tank left. I would have filled up at 32p kWh at home (£20ish). One stop at Keele (£36) and another at Charnock Richard (£36) to enable use while staying.
So it’s all comes down to tax savings by owning a new EV and taking the car payment and running costs off our personal finances. Tesla at circa £700pcm doesn’t feel like I’m winning overall…
You will be in most circumstances and by some margin when you adjust for all the tax saved. Has your accountant advised that your company will be paying the supercharging costs..? What are they now- close to 60p? That would be halved after tax relief for a higher rate taxpayer. 25% corporation tax is coming soon. The savings are considerable in the right circumstances.He drives a PHEV X5 and took the 5% BIK. I was thinking model Y but majority of our 20k this year was to lakes and back to Bucks. One charge in milder weather, two in cold winter. We cruised up here in one tank and a 10 min toilet stop last week and it’s got me pondering once again about why I would be giving that up. Motorway speeds are also not markedly different for wind and road noise with an EV versus petrol.
I filled up at £1.65 litre (£72) and did the 305 miles with 1/4 tank left. I would have filled up at 32p kWh at home (£20ish). One stop at Keele (£36) and another at Charnock Richard (£36) to enable use while staying.
So it’s all comes down to tax savings by owning a new EV and taking the car payment and running costs off our personal finances. Tesla at circa £700pcm doesn’t feel like I’m winning overall…
Familymad said:
That’s always encouraging to hear when considering a Y. Finding the consideration of 1) EV and 1) Tesla the hardest car purchase decision I can recall.
I'll admit that the EV bit really is throwing me off... had it just been ICE it'd have been (relatively) easy but EV's are just a higher price-bracket for what we want so it's now a case of juggling ideas:- new Y
- new/used Ioniq5 2020+
- new/used Kia EV6 2020+
- used iPace 2020+
- Enyaq ("cheaper" option)
all a s
tload of wedge which is scaryPushedDover said:
From my experience - I have never seen a Tesla Charger station with a queue.
That is not the same for the chargers elsewhere on main Trunk roads / service stations
I don’t understand your second point. To ‘maximise their power output’ ?
Is the charge point output not the limiting factor. How many not Tesla chargers are of a comparable charge rate ?
Anyway, we’ll disagree on this but I am speaking from my own experience of ownership
In 2 years and 20k with ours I saw queues on a number of occasions. (Exeter, Bristol, Kings Lynn) and this was 2019-2021 when there were far fewer Tesla's on the roads (they're bloody everywhere nowadays.)That is not the same for the chargers elsewhere on main Trunk roads / service stations
I don’t understand your second point. To ‘maximise their power output’ ?
Is the charge point output not the limiting factor. How many not Tesla chargers are of a comparable charge rate ?
Anyway, we’ll disagree on this but I am speaking from my own experience of ownership
IME Tesla Superchargers are crap for sharing power during busy periods and max speeds fall off a cliff, and the charge curve of the cars themselves if needing more than a quick top up from low SOC is also poor droppng off dramatically above 50% to < 100kW and continung to fall all the way to 90%.
My subsequent exprienece with out etron has been problem free when required and sustains 150kW charging all the way to 80%
I agree about drop-off/powersharing, but otherwise am with PusheDover. I only tend to use Superchargers during holidays, but I've never come close to queuing. Whereas when I've been tempted by a top-up at a non-Supercharger, it's probably 50/50 whether there's one free. I suppose it depends on where you're looking to charge, though I've used Exeter/Bristol a number of times with no issues. All the added benefit of superchargers is that if you go outside peak times, you're guaranteed, whereas with a smaller number of chargers at each site of non-Superchargers, the risk is higher.
I really do need to order a replacement for the M3LR now and have decided on a Y. Taking everything into account, it's the best compromise for my usage/needs.
I really do need to order a replacement for the M3LR now and have decided on a Y. Taking everything into account, it's the best compromise for my usage/needs.
Familymad said:
He drives a PHEV X5 and took the 5% BIK…
As far as I am aware, the only phev with 5% bik are the latest Range Rover Sport and full fat 440e, with standard wheels. You need 70 miles electric range to get the 5% bik. The bmw x5 does not have 70 mile range as far as I know. I think it’s 8%oop north said:
As far as I am aware, the only phev with 5% bik are the latest Range Rover Sport and full fat 440e, with standard wheels. You need 70 miles electric range to get the 5% bik. The bmw x5 does not have 70 mile range as far as I know. I think it’s 8%
Yes that's the only one I know of with 70 miles range. I understand JLR were expecting around 60 miles, but surprised themselves... oop north said:
As far as I am aware, the only phev with 5% bik are the latest Range Rover Sport and full fat 440e, with standard wheels. You need 70 miles electric range to get the 5% bik. The bmw x5 does not have 70 mile range as far as I know. I think it’s 8%
Sorry, text him and it was 8%. I was looking at the RRS 440e and had 5% in my mind when writing the post.Loving my MY, if I'm spending nearly £400 a month on a car I want to be entertained, whether blasting down a motorway, driving through Wales zipping past cars in unfathomably small gaps, or parked up in a traffic jam making goat noises. Self driving is scary as hell yet brilliant, so much more space than my old NX and there's little on the road that can out perform it at legal speeds. This will blast to 80 with little drama and no exhaust sounding like an angry wasp. Sure other cars are more premium inside - it's no lexus or merc, and the seats are probably the uncomfiest I've sat in, but that just motivates me to get to my destination quicker.
One feature I'd love is some sort of vehicle to grid, instead Im having to look at £10k or so for battery storage alone to go with solar panels.
Just hope future govt doesn't hike bik rates too much in future, would be difficult to go back to solely ICE
One feature I'd love is some sort of vehicle to grid, instead Im having to look at £10k or so for battery storage alone to go with solar panels.
Just hope future govt doesn't hike bik rates too much in future, would be difficult to go back to solely ICE
Familymad said:
More research and still the Y comes out as the best of an average bunch (against ICE for many metrics) for what we want it to do. iX40/EV6/Y/Ionic 5/Enyaq. If the iX 50 was the price of the 40 that would be the one. I can’t justify FFRR money for it though !
Did you check the new GLC in either 300e or 300d PHEV guise? They have a 30+kWh battery and the EV range is quite substantial, in the 60-70 mile range from what I know. They get good reviews and will obviously go wherever you want. If PHEV is an option. This should take you to it: https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/passengercars/mode...
If you scroll down a good bit you’ll get to the PHEV specs.
If you scroll down a good bit you’ll get to the PHEV specs.
Familymad said:
More research and still the Y comes out as the best of an average bunch (against ICE for many metrics) for what we want it to do. iX40/EV6/Y/Ionic 5/Enyaq. If the iX 50 was the price of the 40 that would be the one. I can’t justify FFRR money for it though !
...and good luck actually getting an Enyaq. I ordered an 80x in January 2022 and my delivery date keeps getting pushed back. Latest estimate April/May 2023 earliest so I've just binned it and am looking at a Model Y instead.Familymad said:
More research and still the Y comes out as the best of an average bunch (against ICE for many metrics) for what we want it to do. iX40/EV6/Y/Ionic 5/Enyaq. If the iX 50 was the price of the 40 that would be the one. I can’t justify FFRR money for it though !
that's the thing though different tests give different winners the most favoured seem to be the Y/EV6/Ionic5 with the Enyak making a decent case due to costing (considerably!) lessGassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff