Tesla Y or...?
Discussion
Familymad said:
Driving the Ionic 5 today. Done Y, EV6 and iX. They are much the same really. Y was quicker, but that wore off. It’s huge and very well packaged. The rest have been wasting room for styling. Y was most efficient but delve into Teslaworld on the net and there might be a new 4680 battery coming from Berlin. This makes me nervous about buying something that might be outdated 3 months after I buy. Wasn’t dark or wet so didn’t see those issues.
Not sure EV’s have brand identity of old. The all drive the same. It’s down to tech, fit/finish and looks I feel.
Try an iPace if in budget. Closest thing to a Taycan for driving appeal / fit / finish / ambience. Not the best if you do lots of long journeys / can't charge at home though - realistic range no more than 240 and typical charge speed around 75-80.Not sure EV’s have brand identity of old. The all drive the same. It’s down to tech, fit/finish and looks I feel.
DMZ said:
What, they all drive the same? I don’t think we’re allowed to say that around here.
I don’t think I would worry too much about what’s next. There have been claims about new this that and the other for years and in reality nothing much changes. Other than weight and price going up.
That's because it's absolute bobbins. I've driven any number of EV's over the past 5 years and to suggest that they all drive the same is ridiculous. Every one of them has had different ride, handing, steering, regen/braking and drivetrain characteristics in exactly the same way as you would find in ICE.I don’t think I would worry too much about what’s next. There have been claims about new this that and the other for years and in reality nothing much changes. Other than weight and price going up.
The Model 3/i4/Polestar 2 all felt enttirely different despite being in the same class. Same goes for the etron/iPace/EQC/Model X or the Model S/Taycan/EQS.
It's as if the fact that the drivetrain is very smooth is the only factor beig considered, and I do wonder when people last back to back tested a group of ICE cars in the same way as they are doing with EV as get the feeling they would come to the same odd conclusion.
jgrewal said:
Why can an iPace not be charged at home?
The comment was suggesting it's not a great choice if you can't charge at home. Presumably because the fast charging performance of the iPace is quite poor in comparison to its rivals and not something you would want to have to put up with on a regular basis.Edited by SWoll on Friday 21st October 09:52
My spidey sense tingles when I hear people saying EVs all drive the same. It suggests to me that they're the sort of person who is approaching them with the prejudicial mindset of "bahh they're all white goods".
Like ICE cars some EVs drive inoffensively and unremarkably. Others are more memorable for different reasons.
Like ICE cars some EVs drive inoffensively and unremarkably. Others are more memorable for different reasons.
Just rented a Model Y in California with Hertz. It's so easy to book an EV with Hertz all over the US, they even had Polestar 2s available.
Anyway, it must have been a fairly new model Y Dual Motor as it even had the stickers on the alloys and only 5k miles on the clock. Trying to only rent EVs when I travel now.
The roads out there in Silicon Valley are often worse than our crappy UK roads, and the Y had a really busy ride, and the ride didn't feel very absorbent, crashing around over bumps and lumps in the road. Yes, handling and grip are exceptional, it could take bends at amazing speeds.
BMWs in general seem to combine good handling with good ride, so why can't Tesla do it with the Y?
It felt better put together than Model 3s I've driven in 2019/20, but still has issues, imho. There were multiple rattles from various areas of the back of the car, even when driving on smoother roads. Personally, I found the driver's seat in the 3 never impressed me, and the same applies to the Y.
Autopilot was so so. A number of times I had to take over, and I still find that when engaging it, the car will shift towards the edge of the lane, a bit to close to the car on my left side.
Best bit of renting the Y was the supercharging network out there. So many places, literally, every few miles in some areas, and when I went down to 18% charge, it was charging at almost 1,000 miles per hour. Bloody amazing.
In that part of the world, Teslas are now common as muck. I would frequently find myself driving and look around, and there would only be Tesla cars, behind, in front and to each side. I did get a chance to test drive a Lucid Air at their HQ (more on that in another post) and that car for me (I value luxury) was leagues ahead of any Tesla, including the S and the X in how it felt to sit in and drive. Lucid have done a seriously amazing job with how cohesive the car is to drive.
I can see why the Y would appeal to many people, but it's not something I would ever want to use as my own car on a daily basis long term.
Anyway, it must have been a fairly new model Y Dual Motor as it even had the stickers on the alloys and only 5k miles on the clock. Trying to only rent EVs when I travel now.
The roads out there in Silicon Valley are often worse than our crappy UK roads, and the Y had a really busy ride, and the ride didn't feel very absorbent, crashing around over bumps and lumps in the road. Yes, handling and grip are exceptional, it could take bends at amazing speeds.
BMWs in general seem to combine good handling with good ride, so why can't Tesla do it with the Y?
It felt better put together than Model 3s I've driven in 2019/20, but still has issues, imho. There were multiple rattles from various areas of the back of the car, even when driving on smoother roads. Personally, I found the driver's seat in the 3 never impressed me, and the same applies to the Y.
Autopilot was so so. A number of times I had to take over, and I still find that when engaging it, the car will shift towards the edge of the lane, a bit to close to the car on my left side.
Best bit of renting the Y was the supercharging network out there. So many places, literally, every few miles in some areas, and when I went down to 18% charge, it was charging at almost 1,000 miles per hour. Bloody amazing.
In that part of the world, Teslas are now common as muck. I would frequently find myself driving and look around, and there would only be Tesla cars, behind, in front and to each side. I did get a chance to test drive a Lucid Air at their HQ (more on that in another post) and that car for me (I value luxury) was leagues ahead of any Tesla, including the S and the X in how it felt to sit in and drive. Lucid have done a seriously amazing job with how cohesive the car is to drive.
I can see why the Y would appeal to many people, but it's not something I would ever want to use as my own car on a daily basis long term.
C.A.R. said:
Don't order yet, these new colours for Europe were just announced:
That Cherry Red looks almost as good as Mazda Soul Red Metallic. Be interesting to see it in person (also why aren't the colours being offered on the Model 3? Who knows)
Sadly their colours in renders never look the same in person. The blue is particularly sad render vs reality.That Cherry Red looks almost as good as Mazda Soul Red Metallic. Be interesting to see it in person (also why aren't the colours being offered on the Model 3? Who knows)
Lots of Y's in my local area now, I really still can get over how they went from the super saloon S to the ugly duckling Y. It's so ugly.
raspy said:
The roads out there in Silicon Valley are often worse than our crappy UK roads, and the Y had a really busy ride, and the ride didn't feel very absorbent, crashing around over bumps and lumps in the road. Yes, handling and grip are exceptional, it could take bends at amazing speeds.
BMWs in general seem to combine good handling with good ride, so why can't Tesla do it with the Y?
Ride definitely not a Tesla strong point, but would add that BMW have struggled with ride handling balance for any number of years, and the i4 is apparently no exception especially in AWD form. All that additional wegiht from batteries makes it very challenging, especially without adaptve air suspension which I always thought should have been included in the £10k Model Y price uplift from LR to Performance, otherwise pretty much impossible to justify.BMWs in general seem to combine good handling with good ride, so why can't Tesla do it with the Y?
SWoll said:
Ride definitely not a Tesla strong point, but would add that BMW have struggled with ride handling balance for any number of years, and the i4 is apparently no exception especially in AWD form. All that additional wegiht from batteries makes it very challenging, especially without adaptve air suspension which I always thought should have been included in the £10k Model Y price uplift from LR to Performance, otherwise pretty much impossible to justify.
Ride in the bloody heavy BMW iX is exceptional even without air suspension in the iX 40. I just read a review that compared the iX 50 with the new Range Rover, and they admitted the BMW (with air) rode better and was quieter too. My iX 40 arrives next week!
Smiljan said:
Sadly their colours in renders never look the same in person. The blue is particularly sad render vs reality.
Lots of Y's in my local area now, I really still can get over how they went from the super saloon S to the ugly duckling Y. It's so ugly.
Subjective isn't it? I find the iX3 and Ioniq 5 far more offensive in their own way. The model Y is just a bit meh and doesn't really elicit an emotional response. Lots of Y's in my local area now, I really still can get over how they went from the super saloon S to the ugly duckling Y. It's so ugly.
raspy said:
SWoll said:
Ride definitely not a Tesla strong point, but would add that BMW have struggled with ride handling balance for any number of years, and the i4 is apparently no exception especially in AWD form. All that additional wegiht from batteries makes it very challenging, especially without adaptve air suspension which I always thought should have been included in the £10k Model Y price uplift from LR to Performance, otherwise pretty much impossible to justify.
Ride in the bloody heavy BMW iX is exceptional even without air suspension in the iX 40. I just read a review that compared the iX 50 with the new Range Rover, and they admitted the BMW (with air) rode better and was quieter too. My iX 40 arrives next week!
Edited by SWoll on Friday 21st October 13:27
Smiljan said:
Its not emotional, it's factual. It's ugly from all angles as are many other cars. Shame.
EV6 is the same when I see one in person. My opinion of course, others may vary.
It's either factual or your opinion, can't be both. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that..EV6 is the same when I see one in person. My opinion of course, others may vary.
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