2022 BMW 220i - Hybrid?

[BikeBikeBIke]

SWMBO has a 220i.

I'm not really interested in it until today when I was putting the Registration Document in our documents box and noticed it's a Hybrid - didn't know.

I asked SWMBO and got an insanely garbled non-explanation, but she's adamant you can't charge it.

So what have we got? Is this thing charging itself from petrol/regenerative brakes? Is there a charge point she's missed?

(It's raining so I don't want to go out and get the manual.)

Help me!

[Auslander]

I guess it's an MHT version - 'Mild Hybrid Technology'.

ie. a tax dodge.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Auslander said:

I guess it's an MHT version - 'Mild Hybrid Technology'.

ie. a tax dodge.

Thanks you've nailed it, just googled. What a chiz.

At least I know not to jump start my knackered old cars off it - likely to be 48v.

[ashenfie]

When is a hybrid not a hybrid? When it's MHT Lol

The basic idea of MHT is to replace separate alternator and starter motor with a single unit and making the battery 48v rather than 12v. This doesn’t generate enough electricity to power the vehicle in isolation but the battery will help to improve the fuel efficiency of the car. So unlike a real Hybrid you can't run on battery alone. Worth while just not a Hybrid IMHO

[BikeBikeBIke]

ashenfie said:

When is a hybrid not a hybrid? When it's MHT Lol

The basic idea of MHT is to replace separate alternator and starter motor with a single unit and making the battery 48v rather than 12v. This doesn’t generate enough electricity to power the vehicle in isolation but the battery will help to improve the fuel efficiency of the car. So unlike a real Hybrid you can't run on battery alone. Worth while just not a Hybrid IMHO

Thanks that's great detail.

Ironically a 'normal' car will move itself along for a few feet on its starter motor so a mild Hybrid is arguably less of a hybrid than a non-hybrid.

[budgie smuggler]

Some details of the system on here
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-series/357411/...

TLDR- it's a 19bhp boost from the electric system, it allows the car to coast with the engine off and recharges through regen only.

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

Auslander said:

I guess it's an MHT version - 'Mild Hybrid Technology'.

ie. a tax dodge.

How is it a tax dodge?

[Auslander]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

Auslander said:

I guess it's an MHT version - 'Mild Hybrid Technology'.

ie. a tax dodge.

How is it a tax dodge?

Reduces the emissions for the WLTP test, but makes very little difference in real world use.

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

Auslander said:

Reduces the emissions for the WLTP test, but makes very little difference in real world use.

Emmisions are virtually the same and it has no effect on BIK. Not a tax dodge at all.

[Auslander]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

Auslander said:

Reduces the emissions for the WLTP test, but makes very little difference in real world use.

Emmisions are virtually the same and it has no effect on BIK. Not a tax dodge at all.

We don't know. The old shape cars weren't MHT, the new shape cars are.

The CO2 is the same, but we don't know what the new shape car emissions would be without MHT.

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

Auslander said:

We don't know. The old shape cars weren't MHT, the new shape cars are.

The CO2 is the same, but we don't know what the new shape car emissions would be without MHT.

Okay, you said it is a tax dodge so what tax is it dodging?

[TheDeuce]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

Auslander said:

We don't know. The old shape cars weren't MHT, the new shape cars are.

The CO2 is the same, but we don't know what the new shape car emissions would be without MHT.

Okay, you said it is a tax dodge so what tax is it dodging?

He might mean eu emissions tests fines for new cars? Manufacturers are under pressure to reduce their average car emission rates to reduce the fines. They work on a different scale to bik.

[DragonflyTrumpeter]

TheDeuce said:

He might mean eu emissions tests fines for new cars? Manufacturers are under pressure to reduce their average car emission rates to reduce the fines. They work on a different scale to bik.

That is not a tax dodge, regardless of how you try to dress it up.

[BikeBikeBIke]

DragonflyTrumpeter said:

That is not a tax dodge, regardless of how you try to dress it up.

I must confess I only realized the car was a hybrid when I saw the class of car on the Reg document and my first thought was "I'm paying road tax at hybrid rate which must be less."

I have no idea if Hybrids are less road tax but that was my initial assumption - it's a hybrid in name only and that means I pay less road tax on a ICE car.

I CBA to Google to see if that's the case, but its a pretty obvious assumption.