Discussion
DMZ said:
I wouldn’t worry about the infotainment, by the way. I know this is what reviewers having to fill space talk about but in reality how much do you really use it, particularly in a car blessed with physical controls for practically everything? And it’s quite well laid out tbh.
The features of the I-Pace that we have that I really like are the top of the line Meridian sound system, the cooled seats, the matrix headlights, and the self-driving. Which translates to sitting back in comfort and having the car do its thing while listening to some tunes. It all seems appropriate for the EV era. And it drives really well if you want to take over the driving.
In the model that we have at least, you will barely ever touch plastic. It’s quite unlike the fleet grade stuff that tends to feature in German cars and I must say I like it a lot.
Damn this thread is really making me miss mine now! There's so much love for this car from every user on here that's actually had one.The features of the I-Pace that we have that I really like are the top of the line Meridian sound system, the cooled seats, the matrix headlights, and the self-driving. Which translates to sitting back in comfort and having the car do its thing while listening to some tunes. It all seems appropriate for the EV era. And it drives really well if you want to take over the driving.
In the model that we have at least, you will barely ever touch plastic. It’s quite unlike the fleet grade stuff that tends to feature in German cars and I must say I like it a lot.
Definitely agree about the infotainment, it does everything just fine it's just a bit laggy sometimes when switching functions - I'd definitely say it's better given the budget constraint to focus on the actual spec of the car than worry about spending more for the revised pivi pro infotainment.
As you say, unlike most other EV's there are very nice, tactile, physical buttons for everything.
Also seriously missing the meridian surround sound system. It's epic, it's real power and fidelity - not some Barry boy 'wump wump' cheap sub unit in the boot that most other car makers tend to fit to achieve 'premium sound' these days.
I liked the car so much I even gave her a name...Carmen (Electra). I may regret admitting that on here
SWoll said:
The tron S is from the same manufacturer, is the same size, has the same interior, more performance and will be substantially cheaper to run. If you don't need the range then paying 30% more would seem a rather silly decision, but each to their own.
I was merely pointing out that you raised the topic of Diesel vs Electric, by posting a Petrol V8 vs an Electric - which is only comparable on power output, not cost, efficency or emotion. Also, I believe the E tron S and V8 petrol Q8 are roughly the same size and have roughly the same interior but they are not the same. I also dont believe the electric has more performance.
Regardless, this thread is about the iPace - which is a used bargain comparatively.
plfrench said:
I'm just intrigued how you're averaging 17p per mile in a Disco Sport! Do you drive everywhere at 50mph and accelerate like there's an eggshell under your right foot! That's getting on for 40mpg average 
Cigarette packet maths but working on 38mpg at £1.349 per Litre (thanks Costco!).Tend to be fairly economical in driving style, but that is usually necessitated by the mad costs associated with being more pointy with the throttle!
Currently don't have Android Auto in the Disco but did have it in the Tiguan previously and have missed it, so to regain that would be a win.
All points with reference to Suspension noted!
The slower charging capacity I don't forsee ever really being an issue as we would be almost exclusively home charging, but good to be aware of.
I suppose the question is more really, is now the time? Or is there value in waiting a bit longer yet? I've been tracking listings on AutoTrader for some time now and the volume increases and value of them continues to fall month by month.
Can't really help with the iPace as I have no experience of one, but for EV in general I'd say go for it. I'm a petrolhead through and through and have a growing collection of special ICE stuff, but my EV is by far and away the car that does the most mileage.
As long as you still have an ICE car for those trips that just don't work in an EV (depending on where you live: Cornwall, Scotland, some airport trips with big return mileage etc) I do think you'll benefit from the EV. We live on the edge of a city and most of our trips fall into the 'not worth turning the petrol car on' category - you can't beat an EV for this. When you have one, you also realise just how many trips you do that are within its range, it's now only UK holidays and weekends away that I feel I need to take an ICE car to save the hassle, everything else is fair game. Mine has a real world 200 mile range, certainly not the best out there now.
A word of caution, they're not that cheap to run. My current Octopus tariff gives me 12p overnight for 4 hours, outside of this it's around 39p so charging costs do soon rack up. Public chargers are very expensive, generally 79ppkw, at which point it's genuinely cheaper per mile for me to run my Aston/Porsche's.
Good luck!
As long as you still have an ICE car for those trips that just don't work in an EV (depending on where you live: Cornwall, Scotland, some airport trips with big return mileage etc) I do think you'll benefit from the EV. We live on the edge of a city and most of our trips fall into the 'not worth turning the petrol car on' category - you can't beat an EV for this. When you have one, you also realise just how many trips you do that are within its range, it's now only UK holidays and weekends away that I feel I need to take an ICE car to save the hassle, everything else is fair game. Mine has a real world 200 mile range, certainly not the best out there now.
A word of caution, they're not that cheap to run. My current Octopus tariff gives me 12p overnight for 4 hours, outside of this it's around 39p so charging costs do soon rack up. Public chargers are very expensive, generally 79ppkw, at which point it's genuinely cheaper per mile for me to run my Aston/Porsche's.
Good luck!
Liam_92 said:
I suppose the question is more really, is now the time? Or is there value in waiting a bit longer yet? I've been tracking listings on AutoTrader for some time now and the volume increases and value of them continues to fall month by month.
IIRC, a lot of Ipaces were sold in late 2019 early 2020 as part of a low APR offer and the opening up of salary sacrifice - particularly to the NHS.Most of these will have been 3 years I imagine, and have hit the used market now. I anticipate its oversaturated currently and prices will continue to drop a bit for a short while.
But then supply and sales issues meant fewer will be coming off leases in future (as three years would be peak C-19 disruption) so as the current used cars get sold the price may stabilise.
I would track it for a few months and focus on getting the best spec vs price, not cheapest deal...
SmithCorona said:
Liam_92 said:
I suppose the question is more really, is now the time? Or is there value in waiting a bit longer yet? I've been tracking listings on AutoTrader for some time now and the volume increases and value of them continues to fall month by month.
IIRC, a lot of Ipaces were sold in late 2019 early 2020 as part of a low APR offer and the opening up of salary sacrifice - particularly to the NHS.Most of these will have been 3 years I imagine, and have hit the used market now. I anticipate its oversaturated currently and prices will continue to drop a bit for a short while.
But then supply and sales issues meant fewer will be coming off leases in future (as three years would be peak C-19 disruption) so as the current used cars get sold the price may stabilise.
I would track it for a few months and focus on getting the best spec vs price, not cheapest deal...
Definitely value over price. The right spec is worth stretching a budget for and it will be rewarded as and when you eventually sell the car, in addition to every day you own it
Not sure if I'd say wait or pounce tbh. There is a lot of stock right now which is great when it comes to finding the right spec.. Tricky one, could maybe save 1-2000 by waiting a few months but maybe not. What is certain however is that those 1-2 months would be spent in an ageing Disco as opposed to an iPace, which has it's own value..
If you can get out of a Disco sport into an I-Pace for £7k, surely that's a decision made? Ford Mach-E looks good but more like low 30s.
Ioniq 5 for £35k? These look about as good is it gets for a family size EV right now. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306058...
Ioniq 5 for £35k? These look about as good is it gets for a family size EV right now. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306058...
Edited by MrBig on Thursday 27th July 18:35
TheDeuce said:
The Mach E the OP can get for older iPace money isn't the GT though...
Cheapest on AT are around the £50k mark. The cabin materials and design are a long way short of a luxury car and they don't drive as well. Not saying they're bad but price similarity aside, they're a different class of car.
The only ones in budget would fall so far short of the Jag in general spec/tech/power terms I can't see it being a realistic alternative in this instance.
OP is coming from a Disco sport though, so I don't think either of these factors is a major concern.Cheapest on AT are around the £50k mark. The cabin materials and design are a long way short of a luxury car and they don't drive as well. Not saying they're bad but price similarity aside, they're a different class of car.
The only ones in budget would fall so far short of the Jag in general spec/tech/power terms I can't see it being a realistic alternative in this instance.
MrBig said:
TheDeuce said:
The Mach E the OP can get for older iPace money isn't the GT though...
Cheapest on AT are around the £50k mark. The cabin materials and design are a long way short of a luxury car and they don't drive as well. Not saying they're bad but price similarity aside, they're a different class of car.
The only ones in budget would fall so far short of the Jag in general spec/tech/power terms I can't see it being a realistic alternative in this instance.
OP is coming from a Disco sport though, so I don't think either of these factors is a major concern.Cheapest on AT are around the £50k mark. The cabin materials and design are a long way short of a luxury car and they don't drive as well. Not saying they're bad but price similarity aside, they're a different class of car.
The only ones in budget would fall so far short of the Jag in general spec/tech/power terms I can't see it being a realistic alternative in this instance.
Here's my 10 pence worth.
We've ran a 19 plate "S" for nearly 3 years now.
It's a bog std model, on coils and a with the 18(?)" std wheels. It does have a meridian ICE - not sure if this was an option at the time.
It wasn't our first dabble into the EV quagmire - we ran a Leaf from 2013-16 then a Merc 350e hybrid until the Jag came along.
They've been my wife's company car's - specifically chosen for the BIK they offer - and in this respect can't fault any of them.
The car was bought at 14 months old at a non franchise dealer, and had done around 8k miles. First impressions were good, well built, driving position, ergonomics and the bits you touch are excellent.
It is charged at work, on a 11kw charger, we have a 7kw point at home which is rarely used, but have used the car on longer journeys for work and holidays and has been ok, if you plan the stops.
Initially the range reported by the car was 160-165 miles - which we thought may have been down to the way it had been driven, but an early trip to Aberdeen (from Newcastle) showed the battery was only charging to around 65% of capacity (but showing full) - obviously a problem.
the car went into the local JLR dealer. The appointment to diagnose the problem took 2 weeks from the booking call, they diagnosed some dead cells in the battery, that would need changed and explained this was not a 2 minute job and the car would need to be with them for a considerable time. How long then until you can fit it in - 4 weeks...... 4 weeks later it goes in, a nice Disco sport (I'm joking....) as a replacement and they had it 9 weeks.
Give them their dues - they fixed the problem, and the range in the summer months went up 70-75 miles to an estimated 230-235.
After a couple of weeks the car started smelly like a wet dog..... drivers carpet was damp, it was booked in for a diagnosis - again a 2 week wait, but during this period we had a day of torrential rain. My wife went to the car after work, went to reverse out of her space and her feet got soaked with water.
Obviously concerned about the water / electricity mix we had the car recovered to the JLR dealer, they diagnosed a leaking front screen which was replaced, as well as a new carpet and insulation on the drivers side of the car.
Off the road for 4 weeks.
However, since then the car has been faultless (famous last words no doubt....) , no problems been serviced a couple of times now without issue, and provides quick, efficient, comfortable transport for us.
It's averaging about 2.6-2.7 miles per kwh. So for a big lump, with 4wd, I think that's pretty good.
On a run we'll see easy 180 miles between charges, not being stupid, sticking to 70 and trying to avoid full throttle which saps power quickly. So that enough with my bladder these days!!
3 years in battery life / range seems to be unaffected, but I think that is a function that it has only been fast charged a handful of times, and reliability (it's out of warranty) seems ok at the moment.
now sitting at 35k miles, We are considering a change. Potentially back to a Hybrid, as I have changed to a less practical car, and primarily to allow longer journeys without the need to stop for a least an hour, or consider where you stay to recharge overnight. But the choice for replacement is difficult, as the ipace currently is performing well and even in the poverty spec S variant is a nice place to spend journey time.
Would we have another (if we were to get another BEV) - I think the answer to that is yes, probably a higher spec one though. There have been problems with the car, but the time to diagnose and fix have been massively exacerbated by the woeful JLR dealer(s). The car itself is spot on and if it was my car, I'd only run it with a warranty for peace of mind.
We've ran a 19 plate "S" for nearly 3 years now.
It's a bog std model, on coils and a with the 18(?)" std wheels. It does have a meridian ICE - not sure if this was an option at the time.
It wasn't our first dabble into the EV quagmire - we ran a Leaf from 2013-16 then a Merc 350e hybrid until the Jag came along.
They've been my wife's company car's - specifically chosen for the BIK they offer - and in this respect can't fault any of them.
The car was bought at 14 months old at a non franchise dealer, and had done around 8k miles. First impressions were good, well built, driving position, ergonomics and the bits you touch are excellent.
It is charged at work, on a 11kw charger, we have a 7kw point at home which is rarely used, but have used the car on longer journeys for work and holidays and has been ok, if you plan the stops.
Initially the range reported by the car was 160-165 miles - which we thought may have been down to the way it had been driven, but an early trip to Aberdeen (from Newcastle) showed the battery was only charging to around 65% of capacity (but showing full) - obviously a problem.
the car went into the local JLR dealer. The appointment to diagnose the problem took 2 weeks from the booking call, they diagnosed some dead cells in the battery, that would need changed and explained this was not a 2 minute job and the car would need to be with them for a considerable time. How long then until you can fit it in - 4 weeks...... 4 weeks later it goes in, a nice Disco sport (I'm joking....) as a replacement and they had it 9 weeks.
Give them their dues - they fixed the problem, and the range in the summer months went up 70-75 miles to an estimated 230-235.
After a couple of weeks the car started smelly like a wet dog..... drivers carpet was damp, it was booked in for a diagnosis - again a 2 week wait, but during this period we had a day of torrential rain. My wife went to the car after work, went to reverse out of her space and her feet got soaked with water.
Obviously concerned about the water / electricity mix we had the car recovered to the JLR dealer, they diagnosed a leaking front screen which was replaced, as well as a new carpet and insulation on the drivers side of the car.
Off the road for 4 weeks.
However, since then the car has been faultless (famous last words no doubt....) , no problems been serviced a couple of times now without issue, and provides quick, efficient, comfortable transport for us.
It's averaging about 2.6-2.7 miles per kwh. So for a big lump, with 4wd, I think that's pretty good.
On a run we'll see easy 180 miles between charges, not being stupid, sticking to 70 and trying to avoid full throttle which saps power quickly. So that enough with my bladder these days!!
3 years in battery life / range seems to be unaffected, but I think that is a function that it has only been fast charged a handful of times, and reliability (it's out of warranty) seems ok at the moment.
now sitting at 35k miles, We are considering a change. Potentially back to a Hybrid, as I have changed to a less practical car, and primarily to allow longer journeys without the need to stop for a least an hour, or consider where you stay to recharge overnight. But the choice for replacement is difficult, as the ipace currently is performing well and even in the poverty spec S variant is a nice place to spend journey time.
Would we have another (if we were to get another BEV) - I think the answer to that is yes, probably a higher spec one though. There have been problems with the car, but the time to diagnose and fix have been massively exacerbated by the woeful JLR dealer(s). The car itself is spot on and if it was my car, I'd only run it with a warranty for peace of mind.
MrBig said:
Ioniq 5 for £35k? These look about as good is it gets for a family size EV right now. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306058...
if you can cope with the polarizing styling and fisher price interior. FYI, you can cut down the AT links to before the ? and they will work without sharing your postcode.
SWoll said:
if you can cope with the polarizing styling and fisher price interior.
FYI, you can cut down the AT links to before the ? and they will work without sharing your postcode.
Agreed, it's not for everyone. Seems to be a very good car though, and IMO the interior is still leagues ahead of something like a Tesla Mode 3.FYI, you can cut down the AT links to before the ? and they will work without sharing your postcode.
Thanks for the reminder on the link, wasn't my postcode, but edited now anyway.
I think the iPace is a great car, striking design and clearly a lot of plaudits here. I mentioned the Mustang as an extended range AWD car can be had for about £30k now so it was a potential option for the OP. I do think the Mustang is potentially more spacious too.
The Jaguar seems to have not progressed though since introduction.
The Jaguar seems to have not progressed though since introduction.
AMV93 said:
Can't really help with the iPace as I have no experience of one, but for EV in general I'd say go for it. I'm a petrolhead through and through and have a growing collection of special ICE stuff, but my EV is by far and away the car that does the most mileage.
As long as you still have an ICE car for those trips that just don't work in an EV (depending on where you live: Cornwall, Scotland, some airport trips with big return mileage etc) I do think you'll benefit from the EV. We live on the edge of a city and most of our trips fall into the 'not worth turning the petrol car on' category - you can't beat an EV for this. When you have one, you also realise just how many trips you do that are within its range, it's now only UK holidays and weekends away that I feel I need to take an ICE car to save the hassle, everything else is fair game. Mine has a real world 200 mile range, certainly not the best out there now.
A word of caution, they're not that cheap to run. My current Octopus tariff gives me 12p overnight for 4 hours, outside of this it's around 39p so charging costs do soon rack up. Public chargers are very expensive, generally 79ppkw, at which point it's genuinely cheaper per mile for me to run my Aston/Porsche's.
Good luck!
Ok... you're on the wrong tariff mate! You can switch to Intelligent Octopus and get a guaranteed 6 hours cheap rate each night, but in practice I have never had less than 10-12, whatever is needed to fully charge the car. It gives you cheap rate whenever there is grid excess so long as the car is plugged, and there is very often grid excess between 8pm - 8am.As long as you still have an ICE car for those trips that just don't work in an EV (depending on where you live: Cornwall, Scotland, some airport trips with big return mileage etc) I do think you'll benefit from the EV. We live on the edge of a city and most of our trips fall into the 'not worth turning the petrol car on' category - you can't beat an EV for this. When you have one, you also realise just how many trips you do that are within its range, it's now only UK holidays and weekends away that I feel I need to take an ICE car to save the hassle, everything else is fair game. Mine has a real world 200 mile range, certainly not the best out there now.
A word of caution, they're not that cheap to run. My current Octopus tariff gives me 12p overnight for 4 hours, outside of this it's around 39p so charging costs do soon rack up. Public chargers are very expensive, generally 79ppkw, at which point it's genuinely cheaper per mile for me to run my Aston/Porsche's.
Good luck!
A full charge used to cost about £8 allowing for charging loss for us, which was good for a safe 200 miles. 3.75p per mile.
I've test driven an I-Pace in 2020 but went for a Model 3 performance. I sacked that off after getting annoyed by the abysmal ride and general road noise, but now that the Jaguar is coming down in price I'm considering swapping my current ICE car for one. There seem to be few "Drivers" EVs right now, its either the I-Pace, the Taycan or the new Ionic 5 N.
Considering the other two cars are still £60k plus, a £30k low ish mileage I-Pace HSE with all the trimmings seems a bargain.
Considering the other two cars are still £60k plus, a £30k low ish mileage I-Pace HSE with all the trimmings seems a bargain.
juice said:
If buying outside the approved network, can you go to JLR and get a warranty put on an ipace ? I presume it would need to be <3 yrs old ?
I doubt it - or at very least they'd need to 'approve' the car at whatever cost.But you can get as good in the form of an aftermarket warranty from a respectable provider. Just read the small print and ask the directly if anything known to be flakey/expensive is definitely covered.
Nomme de Plum said:
I'm looking for 21/22 year high spec, There seem to be quite a few on the market but I cannot find any with air suspension. I would have thought it essential for a car of this ilk.
There’s a few of us on this thread who are perfectly happy with the standard coil suspension but (without re-reading the thread) I think we all have 20” wheels. When researching prior to getting my car, people recommended the air suspension as necessary if you had 22” wheels but I preferred the smaller ones anyway. They cope with potholes better, give better range and are precaution against my wife’s tendency to kerb the alloys on every car she drives…Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff