Discussion
JonnyVTEC said:
Security. It’s not only charging it allows. Lock and unlock of the car, its location and every trip it’s done is accessible once the supplier has your login credentials.
On a previous post I speculated that could be it - and the system is a bit of a mess so safer to pull the functionality than try and fix, especially if they presumably have an updated solution underway...But they haven't said they do have an improved system in development, which leaves everyone in Limbo. Very JLR.
Octopus gave me 10h 34 m notice.
I would have charged last night but didn't see the e-mail.
I bought my I-Pace in January.
I was disappointed by all the faf around the charging process compared to my previous EV's.
I was relieved when I was pointed to Intelligent Octopus Go, and now this.
Why can't Jaguar change the software to remove the 100% charge bull s
t ?
I would have charged last night but didn't see the e-mail.
I bought my I-Pace in January.
I was disappointed by all the faf around the charging process compared to my previous EV's.
I was relieved when I was pointed to Intelligent Octopus Go, and now this.
Why can't Jaguar change the software to remove the 100% charge bull s
t ?TheDeuce said:
On a previous post I speculated that could be it - and the system is a bit of a mess so safer to pull the functionality than try and fix, especially if they presumably have an updated solution underway...
But they haven't said they do have an improved system in development, which leaves everyone in Limbo. Very JLR.
From what's flying around on twitter, the improved system will only be on new cars and not available to existing owners!But they haven't said they do have an improved system in development, which leaves everyone in Limbo. Very JLR.
MrBig said:
TheDeuce said:
On a previous post I speculated that could be it - and the system is a bit of a mess so safer to pull the functionality than try and fix, especially if they presumably have an updated solution underway...
But they haven't said they do have an improved system in development, which leaves everyone in Limbo. Very JLR.
From what's flying around on twitter, the improved system will only be on new cars and not available to existing owners!But they haven't said they do have an improved system in development, which leaves everyone in Limbo. Very JLR.
How do they expect people to have faith in their new range of EV's if they plainly just shat upon owners of the previous model?
For the owners concerned, you should be very frustrated with the situation. If it does transpire that JLR don't sort the situation out, the only fix is to be an octopus compatible charger - not a huge expense given you can sell the old unit, but the sort of expense that's difficult to accept and takes the edge off the entire ownership experience of the car. That's very unfortunate as clearly JLR put a lot into the design of the car, it should be a point of pride for them and the cars owners.
Deadlysub said:
OVO gave a months notice to their customers, Octopus on the other hand gave one day. All in all really poor from both Jaguar and Octopus.
Not only that, people in the FB iPace group phoned Octopus after the OVO notice was given, questioning whether Octopus would end up in the same position, and Octopus categorically stated they'd be fine; these people signed up as a result 
Personally I'm gonna give British Gas another crack, primarily as their not-very-well-advertised EV rate is ~9p but if you've an Alfen/Hive charger, they've got the equivalent of Intelligent on there and will give you 4p/kW BACK, so 5p/kW. And of course you're then no longer at the mercy of the cars API (the Jag's is particularly flaky at times anyway!).
tbf to Jag, can you imagine a hack at Octopus or OVO? Someone could potentially have access to every single iPace AND know where they all were, as of course, the API is naked InControl. All the energy companies were doing was pretending to be the customer, logging in with their details and starting the charging on their behalf. imo Jag NEEDED to stop access before something bad really happened - and do a ground up rewrite of their API access/authentication...
Edited by MarkT17 on Wednesday 6th March 15:03
autumnsum said:
Has there ever been one of these cases where the car really was at fault?
I can't think of one.. there was another a while back which made the news but was never explained.Edited by autumnsum on Wednesday 6th March 19:25
Possibly regen failed for some reason and the driver not realising they may have to really stand on the brake pedal to overpower the drive motors, if the same fault has somehow caused them to run without throttle input.
Ultimately the car has friction brakes and unless they've been meddled with, they should be more than cable of stopping the car with enough pressure.
One of the issues I had with mine was the 12V battery failing.
I received a message saying 'brake pedal feel reduced'
The pedal feel really was reduced, no assistance at all. I had to press the pedal as hard as I could to get it to stop,
Parking was especially tricky Perhaps it was that.
I received a message saying 'brake pedal feel reduced'
The pedal feel really was reduced, no assistance at all. I had to press the pedal as hard as I could to get it to stop,
Parking was especially tricky Perhaps it was that.
jamesbilluk said:
One of the issues I had with mine was the 12V battery failing.
I received a message saying 'brake pedal feel reduced'
The pedal feel really was reduced, no assistance at all. I had to press the pedal as hard as I could to get it to stop,
Parking was especially tricky Perhaps it was that.
That's all I can imagine. But what sort of Muppet requires a police tactical stop maneuver because they're too much of a flower to get heavy with the brake pedal..??I received a message saying 'brake pedal feel reduced'
The pedal feel really was reduced, no assistance at all. I had to press the pedal as hard as I could to get it to stop,
Parking was especially tricky Perhaps it was that.
Throwing an over worn brake pad can be another reason it's extremely difficult to stop a car (any car), but pumping and then standing hard on the pedal will still get it done.
I'm betting we either find out it's something like the above or, more likely, we never find out.
TheDeuce said:
That's all I can imagine. But what sort of Muppet requires a police tactical stop maneuver because they're too much of a flower to get heavy with the brake pedal..??
Throwing an over worn brake pad can be another reason it's extremely difficult to stop a car (any car), but pumping and then standing hard on the pedal will still get it done.
I'm betting we either find out it's something like the above or, more likely, we never find out.
True, can't imagine how it escalated that far really! Throwing an over worn brake pad can be another reason it's extremely difficult to stop a car (any car), but pumping and then standing hard on the pedal will still get it done.
I'm betting we either find out it's something like the above or, more likely, we never find out.
TheDeuce said:
autumnsum said:
Has there ever been one of these cases where the car really was at fault?
I can't think of one.. there was another a while back which made the news but was never explained.Edited by autumnsum on Wednesday 6th March 19:25
Possibly regen failed for some reason and the driver not realising they may have to really stand on the brake pedal to overpower the drive motors, if the same fault has somehow caused them to run without throttle input.
Ultimately the car has friction brakes and unless they've been meddled with, they should be more than cable of stopping the car with enough pressure.
It was a fees days after a service. I set of and it was running like an ICE car with a misfire ???
Then I came to slow down and straight away I knew I was fighting the drive motor.
Hard brake deal pressure seemed to cut out the drive motor.
Not pleasant.
Reported to and inspected by my local dealer. Never happened again.
knk said:
It is always the driver pressing the accelerator mistakenly, when they think they are braking.
The car's diagnostic log will show that, as they always do.
I reckon the police would have asked the driver to double check they had their foot on the correct pedal ahead of using their cars to force it to a stop..The car's diagnostic log will show that, as they always do.
MarkT17 said:
Deadlysub said:
OVO gave a months notice to their customers, Octopus on the other hand gave one day. All in all really poor from both Jaguar and Octopus.
Not only that, people in the FB iPace group phoned Octopus after the OVO notice was given, questioning whether Octopus would end up in the same position, and Octopus categorically stated they'd be fine; these people signed up as a result Personally I'm gonna give British Gas another crack, primarily as their not-very-well-advertised EV rate is ~9p but if you've an Alfen/Hive charger, they've got the equivalent of Intelligent on there and will give you 4p/kW BACK, so 5p/kW. And of course you're then no longer at the mercy of the cars API (the Jag's is particularly flaky at times anyway!).
tbf to Jag, can you imagine a hack at Octopus or OVO? Someone could potentially have access to every single iPace AND know where they all were, as of course, the API is naked InControl. All the energy companies were doing was pretending to be the customer, logging in with their details and starting the charging on their behalf. imo Jag NEEDED to stop access before something bad really happened - and do a ground up rewrite of their API access/authentication...
Edited by MarkT17 on Wednesday 6th March 15:03
TheDeuce said:
I reckon the police would have asked the driver to double check they had their foot on the correct pedal ahead of using their cars to force it to a stop..
The driver will have thought they were pressing the correct pedal, but any interrogation of the car will show they were not.I don't believe there has ever been a case of a car running out of control in a similar manner that was not down to driver error.
knk said:
TheDeuce said:
I reckon the police would have asked the driver to double check they had their foot on the correct pedal ahead of using their cars to force it to a stop..
The driver will have thought they were pressing the correct pedal, but any interrogation of the car will show they were not.I don't believe there has ever been a case of a car running out of control in a similar manner that was not down to driver error.
But there's no way the police, in communication with the car, would not have at least had the sense to ask the driver to check the accelerator wasn't being pushed or trapped down.
You do the basics ahead of bringing moving cars together on the public road.
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