iPace-enomics

[dmsims]

I just looked at the (trivial) code change that Wattcat made (in minutes) and it's very clear that JLR changing ther API had nothing to with security............

[TheRainMaker]

If the driver was flooring the loud pedal, wouldn't the car be going 120mph plus.

Something odd about this, maybe the car did poop itself.

But still hard to understand how nothing was hit, and they had time to get so many cops cars there.

[TheDeuce]

TheRainMaker said:

If the driver was flooring the loud pedal, wouldn't the car be going 120mph plus.

Something odd about this, maybe the car did poop itself.

But still hard to understand how nothing was hit, and they had time to get so many cops cars there.

Apparently the same thing happened, same car, same driver back in Dec and the car did do 'about' 120mph...

I don't know what to make it of tbh. It's highly likely there is driver error/stupidity involved on some level.

This latest incident apparently went on for over half an hour, which is why I don't buy the suggestion he 'accidently was pressing the accelerator', and in general it's hard to understand how a 2.3 tonne 400hp SUV was able to maintain such progress with no brakes along the motorway for such a length of time without a collision..

But the world is full of odd people that manage to end up in ridiculous situations, usually self caused, and somehow get away with it. Have to wait and see what JLR say, they are going to investigate the car, which should be interesting.

[DMZ]

I would very much like for Jaguar to investigate it and recall if required

[TheDeuce]

DMZ said:

I would very much like for Jaguar to investigate it and recall if required

They will, they have to if they find a repeatable fault. But given there are 60,000 of them out there and this guy managed to find himself in the same situation twice, one that nobody else has suffered, I'm thinking a recall probably won't be required...

[legless]

jamesbilluk said:

TheDeuce said:

That's all I can imagine. But what sort of Muppet requires a police tactical stop maneuver because they're too much of a flower to get heavy with the brake pedal..??

Throwing an over worn brake pad can be another reason it's extremely difficult to stop a car (any car), but pumping and then standing hard on the pedal will still get it done.

I'm betting we either find out it's something like the above or, more likely, we never find out.

True, can't imagine how it escalated that far really!

Even without brakes, I'm struggling to understand why they couldn't stop the thing by coasting down and diving onto the hard shoulder.

[legless]

JonnyVTEC said:

Security. It’s not only charging it allows. Lock and unlock of the car, its location and every trip it’s done is accessible once the supplier has your login credentials.

If it's anything like the way that it works with the VW Group API, it won't work like this.

I have a VW Group EV at the moment with Intelligent Octopus. Octopus don't know my credentials - instead, I used my own login credentials at sign-up to grant Octopus access to specific features on the API. The only thing that Octopus are able to do is to switch charging on/off, read the current state of charge, whether the charging cable is connected and the current position of the car. That's it.

I'd be very surprised if the JLR approach was different.

Edited by legless on Thursday 7th March 12:43

[5s Alive]

legless said:

jamesbilluk said:

TheDeuce said:

That's all I can imagine. But what sort of Muppet requires a police tactical stop maneuver because they're too much of a flower to get heavy with the brake pedal..??

Throwing an over worn brake pad can be another reason it's extremely difficult to stop a car (any car), but pumping and then standing hard on the pedal will still get it done.

I'm betting we either find out it's something like the above or, more likely, we never find out.

True, can't imagine how it escalated that far really!

Even without brakes, I'm struggling to understand why they couldn't stop the thing by coasting down and diving onto the hard shoulder.

Says he couldn't select neutral either but there's usually an emergency shut down procedure described in the handbook. In our Prius and Kona EV it was press and hold the start button.

Toyota carried out an intensive investigation into unintended acceleration (and runaways), also involving NASA engineeers, yet found no faults.

Doesn't mean that then, or now, there wasn't one. And as someone above mentioned, 12v battery faults can have some odd consequences.

Edited to add - I've also tried pulling up and holding the electric handbrake switch to see how it fares stopping the car. Pretty bloody quickly, and without locking up, is the answer.

Edited by 5s Alive on Thursday 7th March 12:49

[autumnsum]

There were people claiming Teslas were doing this a while back, it was of course driver error every time.

I'm surprised they don't put a camera down there to watch the pedals to stop these stupid claims, I know they watch them digitally, but an actual video would prove to these people it's always driver error.

[TheDeuce]

autumnsum said:

There were people claiming Teslas were doing this a while back, it was of course driver error every time.

I'm surprised they don't put a camera down there to watch the pedals to stop these stupid claims, I know they watch them digitally, but an actual video would prove to these people it's always driver error.

Where's that Taycan video where the driver having accidently hit the accelerator lifted and slammed their foot on.. the accelerator

[TheDeuce]

autumnsum said:

There were people claiming Teslas were doing this a while back, it was of course driver error every time.

I'm surprised they don't put a camera down there to watch the pedals to stop these stupid claims, I know they watch them digitally, but an actual video would prove to these people it's always driver error.

Where's that Taycan video where the driver having accidently hit the accelerator lifted and slammed their foot on.. the accelerator

Edit, here it is:



I read somewhere that the driver later claimed the second input they made was the brake to stop them hitting the first car...

Edit again... in fact you can briefly see the brake light flash as they no doubt clipped the pedal ahead of incorrectly landing back on the accelerator. Points for effort.

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

[5s Alive]

TheDeuce said:

Where's that Taycan video where the driver having accidently hit the accelerator lifted and slammed their foot on.. the accelerator

Edit, here it is:



I read somewhere that the driver later claimed the second input they made was the brake to stop them hitting the first car...

Edit again... in fact you can briefly see the brake light flash as they no doubt clipped the pedal ahead of incorrectly landing back on the accelerator. Points for effort.

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

Did he try to select reverse and then panic when it went forwards instead?

[TheDeuce]

5s Alive said:

TheDeuce said:

Where's that Taycan video where the driver having accidently hit the accelerator lifted and slammed their foot on.. the accelerator

Edit, here it is:



I read somewhere that the driver later claimed the second input they made was the brake to stop them hitting the first car...

Edit again... in fact you can briefly see the brake light flash as they no doubt clipped the pedal ahead of incorrectly landing back on the accelerator. Points for effort.

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 7th March 14:39

Did he try to select reverse and then panic when it went forwards instead?

That would require them to have thought they were in reverse when they were not, and then when they shot forward to think they were braking when they were in fact accelerating.

Who the chuff knows - it just wasn't useful driving start to finish

[5s Alive]

TheDeuce said:

That would require them to have thought they were in reverse when they were not, and then when they shot forward to think they were braking when they were in fact accelerating.

Who the chuff knows - it just wasn't useful driving start to finish

Whoa! It's going forwards! I'll press harder, then it'll go backwards...
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[G-wiz]

From a company social media page, called Yammer, 30-Sep-2022:

Dear Team,
Happy Friday, it’s been quite a week!

My week started off with a bang, literally. You will have read in my past blogs that I’m trying to go greener with solar panels and a very recent purchase of my first electric vehicle, a Jaguar I-Pace. Unfortunately on Sat night, things did not go to plan when I was turning the car to put on charge. As I was going forward at a crawl, the car suddenly accelerated at speed (electric cars have incredible power), hitting my daughter’s mini and literally pushing it (with the handbrake on) through my neighbour’s double brick wall. The end result is a Jaguar i-pace under investigation (probably driver error but my dealership is reviewing the car black box) and needing some repair to the front bumper; a Mini which has now been completely written off due to the damage (the photo shows the extent of damage) and finally a very unhappy neighbour with a destroyed wall and damage to a newly laid drive last month! This was not the Saturday evening I was hoping to have! Those with good memories will remember this isn’t the first time a member of the Hodges family has destroyed a wall as my eldest daughter Izzy went through a garden wall when she was learning to drive – different car however!

[TheDeuce]

G-wiz said:

From a company social media page, called Yammer, 30-Sep-2022:

Dear Team,
Happy Friday, it’s been quite a week!

My week started off with a bang, literally. You will have read in my past blogs that I’m trying to go greener with solar panels and a very recent purchase of my first electric vehicle, a Jaguar I-Pace. Unfortunately on Sat night, things did not go to plan when I was turning the car to put on charge. As I was going forward at a crawl, the car suddenly accelerated at speed (electric cars have incredible power), hitting my daughter’s mini and literally pushing it (with the handbrake on) through my neighbour’s double brick wall. The end result is a Jaguar i-pace under investigation (probably driver error but my dealership is reviewing the car black box) and needing some repair to the front bumper; a Mini which has now been completely written off due to the damage (the photo shows the extent of damage) and finally a very unhappy neighbour with a destroyed wall and damage to a newly laid drive last month! This was not the Saturday evening I was hoping to have! Those with good memories will remember this isn’t the first time a member of the Hodges family has destroyed a wall as my eldest daughter Izzy went through a garden wall when she was learning to drive – different car however!

I bet I know what happened as they were turning.. I used to do it mine and nearly got caught out a couple of times. You can casually flick it between forward and reverse without even waiting for it to stop rolling - if you assume it's gone from forward to reverse without double checking, it's super easy to give the throttle a nudge expecting it to stop the car moving forwards and start moving backwards... unless its still in forward drive.

[danp]

Another iPace braking issue reported, this time by a celeb!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68514718

[Veloce144]

Interesting bit from the Ipace UK Forum:

Failure to decelerate would require a simultaneous undetected failure of the brake light switch (no braking detected), a failure of the accelerator (always go fast), a failure of the auxiliary battery (this happened per description), a failure of brake pressure sensor in the BBM (also not detecting brake applied), a failure of the BBM (not providing boost but this is a byproduct of battery failure too), a hydraulic brake fluid loss of all 4 circuits (ensures not even the least bit of braking occurs)

[TheDeuce]

Veloce144 said:

Interesting bit from the Ipace UK Forum:

Failure to decelerate would require a simultaneous undetected failure of the brake light switch (no braking detected), a failure of the accelerator (always go fast), a failure of the auxiliary battery (this happened per description), a failure of brake pressure sensor in the BBM (also not detecting brake applied), a failure of the BBM (not providing boost but this is a byproduct of battery failure too), a hydraulic brake fluid loss of all 4 circuits (ensures not even the least bit of braking occurs)

And also a failure that happened at the exact same time which caused the car to keep accelerating...

So essentially the entire car goes haywire in a perfectly choreographed way in order to make the driver look a tit. Or.. the driver is actually just a tit. Presumably a tit with fat feet and limited mental capacity if anything unexpected happens.

[5s Alive]

TheDeuce said:

Veloce144 said:

Interesting bit from the Ipace UK Forum:

Failure to decelerate would require a simultaneous undetected failure of the brake light switch (no braking detected), a failure of the accelerator (always go fast), a failure of the auxiliary battery (this happened per description), a failure of brake pressure sensor in the BBM (also not detecting brake applied), a failure of the BBM (not providing boost but this is a byproduct of battery failure too), a hydraulic brake fluid loss of all 4 circuits (ensures not even the least bit of braking occurs)

And also a failure that happened at the exact same time which caused the car to keep accelerating...

So essentially the entire car goes haywire in a perfectly choreographed way in order to make the driver look a tit. Or.. the driver is actually just a tit. Presumably a tit with fat feet and limited mental capacity if anything unexpected happens.

Wynns may have a solution, assuming they also do a 'Stop You bd'.




The celeb is adamant that he was pressing hard on a solid brake pedal so I can't imagine what was actually occurring there. Had he pressed the accelerator the car would have shot forward. Press both and the car still stops. Very odd.