iPace-enomics

[JonnyVTEC]

For the early 21MY updated you get Matrix lights, Windsor leather memory seats, HUD, 360 surround camera and pano roof aswell as the different wheel design.

From memory and main items anyway.

[bad company]

W12GT said:

TheDeuce said:

Najan51 said:

Mikebentley said:

I do think the Mustang is potentially more spacious too.

The way you have worded this makes me think you have not sat in either of these cars. If you had, you would know it was utter nonsense.

Unless you are being ironic, and bemoaning Ford's packaging. They have designed an anti-TARDIS.

I had a good look around a mach-e and they're a world apart in terms of interior luxury/feel too. They're put together just fine, like pretty much all modern cars are. But I really don't see an iPace driver getting out of their car and into a mach-e and feeling like it's a comparable experience.





Not intended to be anti mach-e at all, they're well designed cars, probably great family all rounders and well specified overall. But, there is a difference.

The Jag is definitely a nice place to be.

You might not think that when it’s run out of range before you get home.

The Jag’s a lovely car but technically somewhat outdated.

[DSLiverpool]

MrBig said:

If you can get out of a Disco sport into an I-Pace for £7k, surely that's a decision made? Ford Mach-E looks good but more like low 30s.

Ioniq 5 for £35k? These look about as good is it gets for a family size EV right now. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306058...

Edited by MrBig on Thursday 27th July 18:35

Ioniq 5 is every taxi round here. I was lucky getting the launch model project 45 and it was a great car for the price but not luxurious or desirable. I made £4K selling it though - chuffed.

[JonnyVTEC]

bad company said:

You might not think that when it’s run out of range before you get home.

The Jag’s a lovely car but technically somewhat outdated.

Running out of charge is user error. I’ve just driven to Venice in mine.

[bad company]

JonnyVTEC said:

bad company said:

You might not think that when it’s run out of range before you get home.

The Jag’s a lovely car but technically somewhat outdated.

Running out of charge is user error. I’ve just driven to Venice in mine.

How did you find the charging network through Europe? Hopefully better than here.

[dmsims]

Not quite
You have to factor in that it doesn't like some chargers and the badly designed charge port were you have to support the cable

JonnyVTEC said:

Running out of charge is user error. I’ve just driven to Venice in mine.

[bad company]

dmsims said:

Not quite
You have to factor in that it doesn't like some chargers and the badly designed charge port were you have to support the cable

JonnyVTEC said:

Running out of charge is user error. I’ve just driven to Venice in mine.

What’s the problem with the charge port & some chargers?

[jpp]

Outside London the outdated tech thing is marketing guff as far as UK use goes. Look at zapmap and see how many 200+ kwh chargers there are and how many 150+ actually charge at that rate and are operational. It also depends on the charging rate 'curve'. Few charge fast for long as it does the battery no good. Midlands to Lands End = stop after 2.5 hrs, plug in to 50+ kw charger. Have pee and coffee. Repeat when you arrive. Sacrifice driving and cabin quality for new tech when the infrastructure is ready, especially assuming you'll be charging overnight.
Cabin size on iPace matches an A6 Avant/Allroad with only a slight boot space reduction with seats in position and is as wide. That's what I changed from. Oh, and it's AWD and handy in snow.

Edited by jpp on Sunday 6th August 13:28

[taxboy]

JonnyVTEC said:

For the early 21MY updated you get Matrix lights, Windsor leather memory seats, HUD, 360 surround camera and pano roof aswell as the different wheel design.

From memory and main items anyway.

Many thanks

[dmsims]

So it takes over 90 minutes to have a pee and coffee ?

jpp said:

Outside London the outdated tech thing is marketing guff as far as UK use goes. Look at zapmap and see how many 200+ kwh chargers there are and how many 150+ actually charge at that rate and are operational. It also depends on the charging rate 'curve'. Few charge fast for long as it does the battery no good. Midlands to Lands End = stop after 2.5 hrs, plug in to 50+ kw charger. Have pee and coffee. Repeat when you arrive. Sacrifice driving and cabin quality for new tech when the infrastructure is ready, especially assuming you'll be charging overnight.
Cabin size on iPace matches an A6 Avant/Allroad with only a slight boot space reduction with seats in position and is as wide. That's what I changed from. Oh, and it's AWD and handy in snow.

Edited by jpp on Sunday 6th August 13:28

[bad company]

TheDeuce said:

I had a good look around a mach-e and they're a world apart in terms of interior luxury/feel too. They're put together just fine, like pretty much all modern cars are. But I really don't see an iPace driver getting out of their car and into a mach-e and feeling like it's a comparable experience.





Not intended to be anti mach-e at all, they're well designed cars, probably great family all rounders and well specified overall. But, there is a difference.

The 2024 iPace with its new ‘grill’. I preferred the older version.

[TheDeuce]

bad company said:

TheDeuce said:

I had a good look around a mach-e and they're a world apart in terms of interior luxury/feel too. They're put together just fine, like pretty much all modern cars are. But I really don't see an iPace driver getting out of their car and into a mach-e and feeling like it's a comparable experience.





Not intended to be anti mach-e at all, they're well designed cars, probably great family all rounders and well specified overall. But, there is a difference.

The 2024 iPace with its new ‘grill’. I preferred the older version.

I think we all do..

But they have to do something I guess..

What is really like them to do is actually make some more EV's and stop fannying around with the already near perfect iPace! Specifically, I'll have an electric velar please..

[Luke.]

TheDeuce said:

I think we all do..

But they have to do something I guess..

I don't.

[Diderot]

dmsims said:

Not quite
You have to factor in that it doesn't like some chargers and the badly designed charge port were you have to support the cable

JonnyVTEC said:

Running out of charge is user error. I’ve just driven to Venice in mine.

Not unique to the jag. Our Volvo XC40 recharge needs that to handshake with the rapids. Once you know, you know.

[jpp]

dmsims said:

So it takes over 90 minutes to have a pee and coffee ?

jpp said:

Outside London the outdated tech thing is marketing guff as far as UK use goes. Look at zapmap and see how many 200+ kwh chargers there are and how many 150+ actually charge at that rate and are operational. It also depends on the charging rate 'curve'. Few charge fast for long as it does the battery no good. Midlands to Lands End = stop after 2.5 hrs, plug in to 50+ kw charger. Have pee and coffee. Repeat when you arrive. Sacrifice driving and cabin quality for new tech when the infrastructure is ready, especially assuming you'll be charging overnight.
Cabin size on iPace matches an A6 Avant/Allroad with only a slight boot space reduction with seats in position and is as wide. That's what I changed from. Oh, and it's AWD and handy in snow.

Edited by jpp on Sunday 6th August 13:28

Half hour stop my friend. No point hanging around for the last 10 - 20% of charge on most EVs. Charge rate goes through the floor as the cars protect the batteries. Unless you're a paint drying fan. You do have an EV?

[JonnyVTEC]

bad company said:

How did you find the charging network through Europe? Hopefully better than here.

Absolutely superb in France. Switzerland expensive and limited. Italy pretty poor away from Ionity and Tesla. Destination worked well though. My only failures were an enel-X in Como whilst we stopped there was out of order, was trying my luck for free parking Ona garage forecourt yards from the lake front anyway and then a Tesla near Milan showing 18 free of 20 - by the time we got there the units had lost connection it seemed and I couldn’t start any from the app. Detour to McDonald’s with Ionity and got to the campsite 20mins before the gate was locked… ironic really.

The Tesla ones I wouldnt recommend as they are generally off the toll roads in the middle of no where, especially after shop hours, had a security guard closing the various gates last night in the way to Strasbourg.

Ionity with passport for a month to drop the prices is sensible. No issue with charge port. It’s much easier to faff about in the boot and get kids in out and nose in anyway!

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Sunday 6th August 20:57

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Sunday 6th August 21:02

[JonnyVTEC]

bad company said:

What’s the problem with the charge port & some chargers?

Conjecture from a FUD poster inthink…. Cable reach has never been an issue and CCS protocol is far better understood now than then first IPACE where they were frankly the first rapid non Teslas anyway and teething issues were present across the industry. We now have iso 15118 getting ready for V2G with rev20, we are past charging cars

Armed with Octopus Electroverse card I’ve been able to charge anywhere in 4 countries. Happy to run down to 15-20% and pull 114kW from the off and holds 100kW+ to about 40%. I compared to a couple of polestars 2. At 62% both the IPACE pulling 76kW polestar 71kW. So you have to ignore peak numbers. I’d be setting off around 70% as means you get a much better average speed during the stop. Ie cycle 15-70%. I can see how some might run more like 35-90% and find the speed painful.

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Sunday 6th August 21:00

[TheDeuce]

I never had an issue with the charge port position or usability. Obviously, wherever it is it will sometimes be in 'the wrong place' but that's more about the pathetic reach of some public charging cables than car design.

[bad company]

JonnyVTEC said:

Conjecture from a FUD poster inthink…. Cable reach has never been an issue and CCS protocol is far better understood now than then first IPACE where they were frankly the first rapid non Teslas anyway and teething issues were present across the industry. We now have iso 15118 getting ready for V2G with rev20, we are past charging cars

Armed with Octopus Electroverse card I’ve been able to charge anywhere in 4 countries. Happy to run down to 15-20% and pull 114kW from the off and holds 100kW+ to about 40%. I compared to a couple of polestars 2. At 62% both the IPACE pulling 76kW polestar 71kW. So you have to ignore peak numbers. I’d be setting off around 70% as means you get a much better average speed during the stop. Ie cycle 15-70%. I can see how some might run more like 35-90% and find the speed painful.

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Sunday 6th August 21:00

Great but WTF is ‘FUD & CCS’ please?

[JonnyVTEC]

FUD is fear, uncertainty and Doubt

CCS is combined charge system. It’s like on every charger you use describinb the connector choice between that and CHAdeMO, either on the screen or the label on the charger. If you had significant experience of charging you would know that, which kinda destroyed any credibility you think your statement had. You basically just spoke about your expertise on super unleaded fuel and then just asked what 97 meant…

So basically you can do one with your silly attempt at condescending “great” and go pollute another thread elsewhere. It doesn’t wash with me.

PS. What is WTF?

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Sunday 6th August 22:16