What they don't tell you about electric cars

[GT9]

moktabe said:

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

That’s not a thread about ICEs.

Sure, there are ICE threads where EV discussion takes over.

It invariably starts with someone posting along the lines of:

‘What a shame this is the last ICE version before evil, boring, heavy, soulless EVs arrive. And what’s the point anyway when they just move emissions elsewhere, don’t reduce lifetime carbon, kill children in far off lands and are part of a grand plan by lizard overlords to control people. Etc.’

For added spice we will often get something about Chinese coal and the poster claiming they have the world’s strongest bladder.

Brandolini’s Law strikes again and we go round the houses.

[Zero Fuchs]

One thing they didn't tell me, before buying mine, is the utter amount of drivel you'd be subjected to on a regular basis.

I can choose to read threads like this or watch/read the news but people do tend to offer up nuggets in real life.

I'm not female but can almost feel what it's like to be cat called. Maybe they can make it illegal too??

[TheDeuce]

M4cruiser said:

1. They are cheap to run until something breaks, then they cost a lot.

Example: Changing your old petrol hatchback for a second-hand EV like a Leaf/Zoe/Corsa/208/Niro/E-Up etc:-
Saves you up to £300 per year road tax;
Saves you up to 20p per mile on "fuel" (depends a lot on previous mpg and electric supplier deal)
Saves you maintenance like oil changes, cambelt changes etc .
But:-
When the battery goes wrong it costs at least £3,000 to repair. Expect 1 repair on average in 10 years.


2. There aren't enough qualified mechanics to cope with the current repair demand.

When the HV system goes wrong, you may find a 3-month wait to book it in.

So: Ask questions on the above things before you buy.
There are examples on the internet, just use Google.

As per your examples, the EV is overall far cheaper to own.

That's actually great advice for people, thanks for sharing

[sparkymark75]

And of course those knackered engines and blown turbos fix themselves for free do they? I saw a post the other day where a dealer wanted £20k for a new engine.

[jonathan_roberts]

dvs_dave said:

stevemcs said:

On most cars you would only need 1 belt change in 10 years, yes you have an oil service but don’t electric cars need servicing too ? So in reality the running costs are not that massively different

EV’s require way less maintenance. Brake fluid changes, and tyres about the only regular maintenance items they have in common with ICE. Oh, and cabin air filters.

So in reality EV running costs are massively cheaper to run than ICE, not to mention “fuel” costs.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GU...

[ATG]

moktabe said:

ATG said:

moktabe said:

nick1871 said:

moktabe said:

Almost as much as the endless stream of EV stuff.

You know you’re reading the EV section, right?

And?

Even ICE threads get the constant guff.

Right?

Except they don't. But apart from that ...

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thread from 2021. Congratulations

[ajap1979]

moktabe said:

ATG said:

moktabe said:

nick1871 said:

moktabe said:

Almost as much as the endless stream of EV stuff.

You know you’re reading the EV section, right?

And?

Even ICE threads get the constant guff.

Right?

Except they don't. But apart from that ...

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

But that’s literally an EV thread. Was that the best example of an ICE thread gone wrong that you could find?

[eldar]

ajap1979 said:

moktabe said:

ATG said:

moktabe said:

nick1871 said:

moktabe said:

Almost as much as the endless stream of EV stuff.

You know you’re reading the EV section, right?

And?

Even ICE threads get the constant guff.

Right?

Except they don't. But apart from that ...

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

But that’s literally an EV thread. Was that the best example of an ICE thread gone wrong that you could find?

The perfect example of old men shaking their fists at clouds. Do carry on.

[Downward]

Zero Fuchs said:

One thing they didn't tell me, before buying mine, is the utter amount of drivel you'd be subjected to on a regular basis.

I can choose to read threads like this or watch/read the news but people do tend to offer up nuggets in real life.

I'm not female but can almost feel what it's like to be cat called. Maybe they can make it illegal too??

One question everyone asks is what’s the range.
Which is weird because I could say 300 miles and no one would bat an eyelid.
Or I could say I spend 6 hours per week driving and the rest of the time the car could if needed be charging.
I’ve had more issues with the reliable petrol volvo in 6 months than 7 years of Electric car ownership too.

[Downward]

timbo999 said:

Put the £300/annum you're not paying in VED into a high interest account and use it to buy a new battery every 10 years... and you're ahead 'cos you've earned interest on your savings...

What have I missed?

If I bought any car and you said you’d spend £300 a year on repairs I’d take that all day long.

[JackJarvis]

Downward said:

Zero Fuchs said:

One thing they didn't tell me, before buying mine, is the utter amount of drivel you'd be subjected to on a regular basis.

I can choose to read threads like this or watch/read the news but people do tend to offer up nuggets in real life.

I'm not female but can almost feel what it's like to be cat called. Maybe they can make it illegal too??

One question everyone asks is what’s the range.
Which is weird because I could say 300 miles and no one would bat an eyelid.
Or I could say I spend 6 hours per week driving and the rest of the time the car could if needed be charging.
I’ve had more issues with the reliable petrol volvo in 6 months than 7 years of Electric car ownership too.

I'm an EV fan but I can't understand why you find it weird that people ask about range. It's quite important.

[Zero Fuchs]

JackJarvis said:

Downward said:

Zero Fuchs said:

One thing they didn't tell me, before buying mine, is the utter amount of drivel you'd be subjected to on a regular basis.

I can choose to read threads like this or watch/read the news but people do tend to offer up nuggets in real life.

I'm not female but can almost feel what it's like to be cat called. Maybe they can make it illegal too??

One question everyone asks is what’s the range.
Which is weird because I could say 300 miles and no one would bat an eyelid.
Or I could say I spend 6 hours per week driving and the rest of the time the car could if needed be charging.
I’ve had more issues with the reliable petrol volvo in 6 months than 7 years of Electric car ownership too.

I'm an EV fan but I can't understand why you find it weird that people ask about range. It's quite important.

I guess it's a bit like asking someone what their mpg is. Not something I'd ask unless a conversation about a V8 or something similar cropped up.

People are obsessed with it and in some (not all) ways, it's becoming OTT with the focus.

[TheDeuce]

trakracer said:

TheDeuce said:

M4cruiser said:

1. They are cheap to run until something breaks, then they cost a lot.

Example: Changing your old petrol hatchback for a second-hand EV like a Leaf/Zoe/Corsa/208/Niro/E-Up etc:-
Saves you up to £300 per year road tax;
Saves you up to 20p per mile on "fuel" (depends a lot on previous mpg and electric supplier deal)
Saves you maintenance like oil changes, cambelt changes etc .
But:-
When the battery goes wrong it costs at least £3,000 to repair. Expect 1 repair on average in 10 years.


2. There aren't enough qualified mechanics to cope with the current repair demand.

When the HV system goes wrong, you may find a 3-month wait to book it in.

So: Ask questions on the above things before you buy.
There are examples on the internet, just use Google.

As per your examples, the EV is overall far cheaper to own.

That's actually great advice for people, thanks for sharing

Umm, £300 per year spread over 10 years to repair the battery
Saves you £300 per year in road tax

So it's cost neutral before you even consider the huge fuel savings (£2,000 per year if you do 10,000 miles pa)

Are you for or against EV's?

I'm for EV's

I'm confused by your post. I said the EV was far cheaper overall, you've explained why that's correct as if it wasn't already obvious to me..?

The only surprise is that it somehow wasn't obvious to the OP that their example makes a very strong case for swapping to a used EV immediately. In a ten year period you could easily be £20k up, mileage dependant, and luck plays it's part with all ageing cars I guess.

[TheDeuce]

JackJarvis said:

Downward said:

Zero Fuchs said:

One thing they didn't tell me, before buying mine, is the utter amount of drivel you'd be subjected to on a regular basis.

I can choose to read threads like this or watch/read the news but people do tend to offer up nuggets in real life.

I'm not female but can almost feel what it's like to be cat called. Maybe they can make it illegal too??

One question everyone asks is what’s the range.
Which is weird because I could say 300 miles and no one would bat an eyelid.
Or I could say I spend 6 hours per week driving and the rest of the time the car could if needed be charging.
I’ve had more issues with the reliable petrol volvo in 6 months than 7 years of Electric car ownership too.

I'm an EV fan but I can't understand why you find it weird that people ask about range. It's quite important.

I find it a frustrating question too, not because in itself it's an unreasonable question... But because 90% of the time the person asking hasn't even gotten around to asking themselves what their own range as a driver is! If I say 250 miles they may think 'thats not very much', without ever pausing to work out when the last time was that they did any such distance. Stats show the vast majority will exceed typical EV range so infrequently that the minor inconvenience when they do is more than offset by a month's/years of not having to visit petrol stations.

But people who aren't EV drivers tend to instinctively judge range and refill times purely by ice standards, which for most misses the point.

[annodomini2]

[moktabe]

ATG said:

moktabe said:

ATG said:

moktabe said:

nick1871 said:

moktabe said:

Almost as much as the endless stream of EV stuff.

You know you’re reading the EV section, right?

And?

Even ICE threads get the constant guff.

Right?

Except they don't. But apart from that ...

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thread from 2021. Congratulations

Yet it's one of those thread that doesn't exist...according to Mr Smart Ass..ie..you.

[moktabe]

eldar said:

ajap1979 said:

moktabe said:

ATG said:

moktabe said:

nick1871 said:

moktabe said:

Almost as much as the endless stream of EV stuff.

You know you’re reading the EV section, right?

And?

Even ICE threads get the constant guff.

Right?

Except they don't. But apart from that ...

But apart from that....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

But that’s literally an EV thread. Was that the best example of an ICE thread gone wrong that you could find?

The perfect example of old men shaking their fists at clouds. Do carry on.

Could be worse though...

I could have my head stuck up my plug socket.

Do carry on.

[eldar]

moktabe said:

Yet it's one of those thread that doesn't exist...according to Mr Smart Ass..ie..you.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/handbags_at_dawn

[FeelingLucky]

M4bellend really should try harder, as trolling goes that was a lacklustre attempt.

[tr3a]

FeelingLucky said:

M4bellend really should try harder, as trolling goes that was a lacklustre attempt.

Yours was the 39th reply to his dribble. Methinks the troll got the attention he wanted.