What they don't tell you about electric cars
Discussion
Megaflow said:
Oh, and a battery repair shouldn’t cost anything like £3000 at 10 years old.
A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
Yes, as I understand it, the Leaf (for example) has 24 modules. Each module having either 4 or 8 cells, depending on which Nissan "expert" you are hearing it from.A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
And yes, the module itself doesn't cost £3,000, but the whole job will do (including labour), if it's done my the franchise dealer. Which brings me back to point 2 in the OP, there aren't enough HV repair shops to bring the price down to a sensible level.
M4cruiser said:
Yes, as I understand it, the Leaf (for example) has 24 modules. Each module having either 4 or 8 cells, depending on which Nissan "expert" you are hearing it from.
And yes, the module itself doesn't cost £3,000, but the whole job will do (including labour), if it's done my the franchise dealer. Which brings me back to point 2 in the OP, there aren't enough HV repair shops to bring the price down to a sensible level.
When you're in a hole, stop digging.And yes, the module itself doesn't cost £3,000, but the whole job will do (including labour), if it's done my the franchise dealer. Which brings me back to point 2 in the OP, there aren't enough HV repair shops to bring the price down to a sensible level.
M4cruiser said:
Megaflow said:
To clarify, using your numbers, you save £300 a year on tax, over 10 years is £3000 plus £0.20 per mile, at let’s say 10k a year, is another £20,000 over 10 years, a total saving of £23,000. But they are more expensive to run because I might need a £3000 battery repair… last time I looked £23000 was more than £3000.
I really hope the OP is a troll and this isn’t a true reflection of the general level of intelligence these days!
Try reading my original post, I didn't say they are more expensive to run than petrol cars. I am saying they are more expensive to run than the "sales force" tell you, because they never tell you about the HV repairs.I really hope the OP is a troll and this isn’t a true reflection of the general level of intelligence these days!
Edited by Megaflow on Monday 12th February 19:28
All this thread has done is highlight that EV's actually probably cost less to repair overall - due to being far less complex, so it's less to worry about than people have always worried about car repairs - IE not very often until they get unlucky and it happens.
My experience is that most people who haven't yet owned an EV actually assume they will cost more to run than they actually do - the sales guys don't do much of a job of getting that point across either tbh, because people need to quite a bit of help to work out what their true charging costs would be on the most suitable tariff, or to be convinced that there are significant savings down the line such as not needing to replace brake discs or pads, far less servicing cost etc. This corner of the forum is quite good at explaining these things to people that show a little interest.
This thread, telling people that cars can break down, even if the sales person fails to mention it... isn't helpful at all.
M4cruiser said:
Megaflow said:
To clarify, using your numbers, you save £300 a year on tax, over 10 years is £3000 plus £0.20 per mile, at let’s say 10k a year, is another £20,000 over 10 years, a total saving of £23,000. But they are more expensive to run because I might need a £3000 battery repair… last time I looked £23000 was more than £3000.
I really hope the OP is a troll and this isn’t a true reflection of the general level of intelligence these days!
Try reading my original post, I didn't say they are more expensive to run than petrol cars. I am saying they are more expensive to run than the "sales force" tell you, because they never tell you about the HV repairs.I really hope the OP is a troll and this isn’t a true reflection of the general level of intelligence these days!
Edited by Megaflow on Monday 12th February 19:28
M4cruiser said:
Megaflow said:
Oh, and a battery repair shouldn’t cost anything like £3000 at 10 years old.
A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
Yes, as I understand it, the Leaf (for example) has 24 modules. Each module having either 4 or 8 cells, depending on which Nissan "expert" you are hearing it from.A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
And yes, the module itself doesn't cost £3,000, but the whole job will do (including labour), if it's done my the franchise dealer. Which brings me back to point 2 in the OP, there aren't enough HV repair shops to bring the price down to a sensible level.
Regarding the number of HV repair shops, of course there aren’t many, there aren’t many EV cars. How many mobile repair shops were around 20 years ago?
When the volume increases so will the business case for more qualified repair people.
Megaflow said:
FeelingLucky said:
Megaflow said:
I really hope the OP is a troll and this isn’t a true reflection of the general level of intelligence these days!
You're in luck, the OP is in fact a troll. Unfortunately, it is a reflection of his lack of intelligence.
G-wiz said:
Question.
Road tax will be payable on electric cars from 2025.
Will that reduce their appeal, hence demand, even further?
Dunno. I've a REx on my i3s so have paid road tax plus the £40k car premium for the last 5 years. I'm now into my final year of the extra £390/year.Road tax will be payable on electric cars from 2025.
Will that reduce their appeal, hence demand, even further?
It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
M4cruiser said:
Megaflow said:
Oh, and a battery repair shouldn’t cost anything like £3000 at 10 years old.
A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
Yes, as I understand it, the Leaf (for example) has 24 modules. Each module having either 4 or 8 cells, depending on which Nissan "expert" you are hearing it from.A battery is made up of a series of modules, these modules are very easy to swap, and a typical module will cost about £1000 for most of the mainstream models.
https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/collections...
And yes, the module itself doesn't cost £3,000, but the whole job will do (including labour), if it's done my the franchise dealer. Which brings me back to point 2 in the OP, there aren't enough HV repair shops to bring the price down to a sensible level.
Zero Fuchs said:
Dunno. I've a REx on my i3s so have paid road tax plus the £40k car premium for the last 5 years. I'm now into my final year of the extra £390/year.
It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
That "premium" for cars over £40k needs to either be gone or the threshold increased.It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
sparkymark75 said:
Zero Fuchs said:
Dunno. I've a REx on my i3s so have paid road tax plus the £40k car premium for the last 5 years. I'm now into my final year of the extra £390/year.
It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
That "premium" for cars over £40k needs to either be gone or the threshold increased.It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
Zero Fuchs said:
Totally agree. It's ridiculous and doesn't reflect the price of cars nowadays. Not that it was ever a reflection of anything but hey ho.
I don't get these thresholds?In the Netherlands they also have some of them.
In Belgium they just have a formula that calculates in exhaust CO² and purchase price.
At this point you're speccing your Golf to stay under 40k for tax reasons, which is weird.
Zero Fuchs said:
sparkymark75 said:
Zero Fuchs said:
Dunno. I've a REx on my i3s so have paid road tax plus the £40k car premium for the last 5 years. I'm now into my final year of the extra £390/year.
It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
That "premium" for cars over £40k needs to either be gone or the threshold increased.It makes no difference whatsoever to me.
G-wiz said:
Question.
Have read that EVs can have strong regenerative breaking and 1 pedal driving.
So, if the car has lots of speed retardation, without touching the brake pedal, do the brake lights come on?
If not, is that not a safety issue?
Yes they do when the deceleration exceeds a threshold. I suspect its all very regulated. It's not like the manufacturers haven't thought about this...Have read that EVs can have strong regenerative breaking and 1 pedal driving.
So, if the car has lots of speed retardation, without touching the brake pedal, do the brake lights come on?
If not, is that not a safety issue?
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