EVs and In Gear Acceleration vs ICE
Discussion
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
It sounds great, it’s stunning to look at and keeping something like that alive and working is good fun. That's what I like about it ...
You curiously seem to have omitted actually enjoying driving the Cerbera from your list?
I jest, these cars are part of history, fun to drive and should be kept alive. It's a great example of what ICE is all about without a load of modern tech, weight or emissions legislation to dampen the experience.
TheDeuce said:
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
It sounds great, it’s stunning to look at and keeping something like that alive and working is good fun. That's what I like about it ...
You curiously seem to have omitted actually enjoying driving the Cerbera from your list?I jest, these cars are part of history, fun to drive and should be kept alive. It's a great example of what ICE is all about without a load of modern tech, weight or emissions legislation to dampen the experience.
t means prolonging how long these truly great cars can be seen, driven and appreciated.I like the juxtapostion between my tesla and elise. They're polar opposites. Yet i can appreciate both. It's not a binary choice of one or the other.
A bit like how travelling on a modern train at 130mph down to london is great, but that doesn't mean i don't like a proper steam train with the sounds, smells, etc.
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
It sounds great, it’s stunning to look at and keeping something like that alive and working is good fun. That's what I like about it ...
You curiously seem to have omitted actually enjoying driving the Cerbera from your list?fatjon said:
Done 1500 miles in last 10 years. It’s bloody horrible to drive! The AC is pants, the steering is silly heavy, it eats clutches, guzzles fuel and breaks down so often that getting where you’re going is at best 50/50. Anything you need to fix is impossible to get at, hard to find and usually mind bogglingly expensive. But I still can’t let it go.
I know they require significant ongoing maintenance, but yours sounds like it's a poorly maintained shed of an example. Only 1500 miles in 10 years is truly pitiful.Olivera said:
fatjon said:
Done 1500 miles in last 10 years. It’s bloody horrible to drive! The AC is pants, the steering is silly heavy, it eats clutches, guzzles fuel and breaks down so often that getting where you’re going is at best 50/50. Anything you need to fix is impossible to get at, hard to find and usually mind bogglingly expensive. But I still can’t let it go.
I know they require significant ongoing maintenance, but yours sounds like it's a poorly maintained shed of an example. Only 1500 miles in 10 years is truly pitiful.Olivera said:
fatjon said:
Done 1500 miles in last 10 years. It’s bloody horrible to drive! The AC is pants, the steering is silly heavy, it eats clutches, guzzles fuel and breaks down so often that getting where you’re going is at best 50/50. Anything you need to fix is impossible to get at, hard to find and usually mind bogglingly expensive. But I still can’t let it go.
I know they require significant ongoing maintenance, but yours sounds like it's a poorly maintained shed of an example. Only 1500 miles in 10 years is truly pitiful.They are very needy cars that is for sure, and mine used to eat through starter motors/wiper motors/boot locks for example.
fatjon said:
No, it’s absolutely immaculate down to the last shiny nut and bolt, even underneath. Has had a complete body off, Chassis upwards rebuild and it’s always been maintained regardless of cost since I got it in 7 years old in 2007 and lives in a dry garage. It still bites me in the wallet pretty much every chance it gets though. It stands me at about 50k including the 17k I paid for it.
If that's the case then I'm absolutely baffled why you only drive it 150 miles per annum. Reliability (and maybe practicality) aside most owners absolutely love driving them.fatjon said:
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
Done 1500 miles in last 10 years. It’s bloody horrible to drive! The AC is pants, the steering is silly heavy, it eats clutches, guzzles fuel and breaks down so often that getting where you’re going is at best 50/50. Anything you need to fix is impossible to get at, hard to find and usually mind bogglingly expensive. But I still can’t let it go.
I know they require significant ongoing maintenance, but yours sounds like it's a poorly maintained shed of an example. Only 1500 miles in 10 years is truly pitiful.
fatjon said:
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
It sounds great, it’s stunning to look at and keeping something like that alive and working is good fun. That's what I like about it ...
You curiously seem to have omitted actually enjoying driving the Cerbera from your list?Most years there is a TVR club meet at Burghley House, I live close by, I normally take the dog and the wife for a mooch around - they seem a happy bunch and everyone is very friendly.
But come home time there are always AA trucks arriving to help clear up the cars that have inexplicably broken whilst parked
I assume there must be a great level of camaraderie amongst the owners...
But come home time there are always AA trucks arriving to help clear up the cars that have inexplicably broken whilst parked
I assume there must be a great level of camaraderie amongst the owners...
fatjon said:
Olivera said:
fatjon said:
Done 1500 miles in last 10 years. It’s bloody horrible to drive! The AC is pants, the steering is silly heavy, it eats clutches, guzzles fuel and breaks down so often that getting where you’re going is at best 50/50. Anything you need to fix is impossible to get at, hard to find and usually mind bogglingly expensive. But I still can’t let it go.
I know they require significant ongoing maintenance, but yours sounds like it's a poorly maintained shed of an example. Only 1500 miles in 10 years is truly pitiful.Mine was pretty good to be honest, more track days than I can remember, trips down to the south of Spain, and used as a daily driver until the kids turned up.
I think it covered around 65 thousand miles in my care (75-80k when it went), with no engine rebuilds, one clutch and two starters.
Mine was a joy to drive, but could be a challenge in London, but what manual, fairly heavy-clutched car isn't?
wormus said:
It was pretty horrible tbh and would spin the tyres at over 100mph. 6.6L supercharged stroker V8 LS truck engine. Shorter stroke now which helps with traction but it’ll still spin the tyres all the way to 70mph if you poke it. PD superchargers give boost off idle as you can see. And I get a savage V8 soundtrack to go with it.
wormus said:
540TORQUES said:
wormus said:
Nah.
That's just showing off. I bet it struggled to get the power down. Did you do any road tyre on the road acceleration tests?
It’s an automotive chest wig you like
but I’m sure it compensates for something.740EVTORQUES said:
wormus said:
It was pretty horrible tbh and would spin the tyres at over 100mph. 6.6L supercharged stroker V8 LS truck engine. Shorter stroke now which helps with traction but it’ll still spin the tyres all the way to 70mph if you poke it. PD superchargers give boost off idle as you can see. And I get a savage V8 soundtrack to go with it.
wormus said:
540TORQUES said:
wormus said:
Nah.
That's just showing off. I bet it struggled to get the power down. Did you do any road tyre on the road acceleration tests?
It’s an automotive chest wig you like
but I’m sure it compensates for something.wormus said:
Same power delivery as an EV, just more (too) powerful for the traction available. It’s a muscle car, and it’s interesting, something your average EV fails to achieve.
Why do you find spinning tyres (ie wasting power) while making a ‘savage noise’ (ie wasting power) interesting other than just showing off in a faintly ridiculous way ( like wearing a chest wig)?Once you get over the dogma that noise = power = good then you will realise you are a victim of your own misunderstanding.
You realise that F1 engineers would happily make cars silent if they could to avoid wasted power?
The answer is, if you want performance, get an EV. If you want all noise and bluster get a V8. But why bother trying to make it fast when ICE vehicles are inherently slower than EVs, that’s just silly.
740EVTORQUES said:
Why do you find spinning tyres (ie wasting power) while making a ‘savage noise’ (ie wasting power) interesting other than just showing off in a faintly ridiculous way ( like wearing a chest wig)?
Once you get over the dogma that noise = power = good then you will realise you are a victim of your own misunderstanding.
You realise that F1 engineers would happily make cars silent if they could to avoid wasted power?
The answer is, if you want performance, get an EV. If you want all noise and bluster get a V8. But why bother trying to make it fast when ICE vehicles are inherently slower than EVs, that’s just silly.
Because this is coolOnce you get over the dogma that noise = power = good then you will realise you are a victim of your own misunderstanding.
You realise that F1 engineers would happily make cars silent if they could to avoid wasted power?
The answer is, if you want performance, get an EV. If you want all noise and bluster get a V8. But why bother trying to make it fast when ICE vehicles are inherently slower than EVs, that’s just silly.
And this is you trying to tell me I’m wrong:
740EVTORQUES said:
The guy spinning his wheels is looking to check that people are watching his so is cool while the guy with the Tesla is wearing glasses and probably spent less time styling his hair and so is uncool is that the point?
They both just attract a different type of person for me, and that is what it boils down to in my opinion. I mean...just look at the state of that Tesla? I'm almost nodding off just looking at it! Different strokes for different folks that's all really, and each to their own I think. Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 28th March 07:21
Some folk want exciting, and some folk want boring. Nobody is wrong either way.
740EVTORQUES said:
That pretty much defines most ICE ‘performance cars’ all noise and tyre smoke while the EV takes off like it’s just engaged warp drive.
It’s an automotive chest wig you like but I’m sure it compensates for something.
You should focus on doing things that you enjoy. It’s an automotive chest wig you like
but I’m sure it compensates for something.Showing off to the general public with your silent acceleration and flawless traction from traffic lights is as pointless as the guy in his pops 'n' bangs tyre spinner if your just doing it for the attention of other road users.
car user said:
740EVTORQUES said:
That pretty much defines most ICE ‘performance cars’ all noise and tyre smoke while the EV takes off like it’s just engaged warp drive.
It’s an automotive chest wig you like but I’m sure it compensates for something.
You should focus on doing things that you enjoy. It’s an automotive chest wig you like
but I’m sure it compensates for something.Showing off to the general public with your silent acceleration and flawless traction from traffic lights is as pointless as the guy in his pops 'n' bangs tyre spinner if your just doing it for the attention of other road users.
When you’re not wasting so much power on noise and heat you just get more efficiency.
Or should EVs just accelerate a bit more slowly to avoid causing offence?
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