Would you have an EV without home charging?

[SWoll]

PSRG said:

The graph is from Motorpoint a few weeks ago, though the source of the data isn’t identified. Nevertheless, what’s always been true is that expensive ‘mass market’ cars have always depreciated a lot, and the fact that now those cars are EVs means they too have high depreciation. But, are they deprecating a lot because they are expensive, or because they are EVs?

https://www.motorpoint.co.uk/guides/electric-car-d...

Because they are EV's, in many cases they're barely more expensive than an equivalent ICE that has depreciated far less over the same period. See the BMW v Tesla comparison I posted earlier.

Masses of them supplied to company car drivers back in 2019/20 flooded the used market over the 12 months and supply v demand took over driving values down hard. And it's not likely to improve as will continue to happen for the next few years at least.

My limited research would suggest a figure closer to 20% greater depreciation than ICE, rather than 10%, with all of it occurring in the past 12 months.

[FiF]

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Alternatively if for some reason moved into an apartment it would only be one with a parking space and charger. But there is 0.001% chance of that happening so effectively as per para 1 above.

[SWoll]

FiF said:

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

FiF said:

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

If they wanted the ability to charge I imagine getting the chargers fitted would help as and when they sold the house - assuming the buyer might also be thinking about the electric future and how charging at home might be very useful..

Also surely they can still charge? Perhaps with a wonky solution involving a granny charger and an extension lead? Or is the parking space separate to the dwelling and they have to deal with digging up a street to get a feed in?

[fatbutt]

SWoll said:

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

Our charger cost £400. If you want a fast charger you're going to pay considerably more. We stick our car on charge overnight probably once or twice a week. We've had an EV for 4 years now and we've found it no problem to live with.

[FiF]

SWoll said:

FiF said:

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

But doesn't that come under the catch all advice of consider all the variables, use case, cost, practicality what else?

Oh sorry, just replied to another edge case bad faith argument. Silly me.

[Evanivitch]

fatbutt said:

Our charger cost £400. If you want a fast charger you're going to pay considerably more. We stick our car on charge overnight probably once or twice a week. We've had an EV for 4 years now and we've found it no problem to live with.

A fast charger is a 7-22kW charger...

[Evanivitch]

SWoll said:

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

I'd love to know how that's the case. That's a hell of a long run of armored cable, plus trenching?

[TheDeuce]

Evanivitch said:

SWoll said:

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

I'd love to know how that's the case. That's a hell of a long run of armored cable, plus trenching?

And he knows 'a few' people that apparently have a parking space in a different time zone to their home fuse box

SWOLL... Tell us more

[ColdoRS]

Evanivitch said:

SWoll said:

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

I'd love to know how that's the case. That's a hell of a long run of armored cable, plus trenching?

Even if that is the case(i can't see how either!), granny charging (slow, 3pin plug charging) at home is also pretty manageable by most users. I done it for a while when I moved house and hadn't installed the charger yet and it was OK.

[James6112]

SWoll said:

FiF said:

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

You know a few people quoted 5-10k
The other 99.99% of the population pay 1k or so.
No offence, but your lying

[pembo]

I have a Polestar company car that I've done 14k miles in 8 months in with only a granny charger at home but free 7kv charging at work.
Since getting it I've had to fast charge when out 5 or 6 times. I've probably charged it at home a maximum of 10 times. So if I didn't have a home charger it wouldn't have been anywhere near as expensive as the diesel A4 I had previously.
The fun starts next week when my wife's new GW Ora 03 (funky cat) turns up, as that will be only charged on the granny... but is only for very local work trips as a hairdresser and popping to the shops.

[Nomme de Plum]

James6112 said:

SWoll said:

FiF said:

No but then wouldn't buy a house without a drive.

Doesn't necessarily guarantee the ability to charge. I know a few people with off road parking that have been quoted extortionate amounts to fit a 7kW home charger (£5-10k).

You know a few people quoted 5-10k
The other 99.99% of the population pay 1k or so.
No offence, but your lying

With due respect to SW it will be on a case by case basis. This new remote external supply has to be metered so how that is achieved could be quite convoluted. Whilst £10K sounds a lot I could easily see costs in the oder of £5K. I say this as someone who costed building services including external electrical services. Cables will need to be sized on run length so not as to suffer out of tolerance volt drop.

Assuming on private property the reinstatement costs alone could be very substantial.

Edited by Nomme de Plum on Saturday 13th April 08:38

Edited by Nomme de Plum on Saturday 13th April 08:39

[Martyn76]

SWoll said:

Essentially the same thing as home charging though really? Costs bugger all, takes no effort and you can be sure of availability.

If they removed work charging or you changed jobs to one without it, what would your opinion be then?

I'd stump up for a home charger.

[fatjon]

At 80p/kwh it would cost me more than the A8 3.0 turbo tank it replaced. So the answer is NAFC!

[FWIW]

JQ said:

We have 2 EV's and there's absolutely no chance I'd have one without home charging.

Same here.

[delta0]

FWIW said:

Same here.

Current peak charge rates for the Tesla Superchargers are coming up as 45p/kW. At 4 miles per kW then the cost per mile is 11.25p. Petrol is around 147p/l currently so just over 59 mpg equivalent on public chargers. It’s viable but then consider home charger is down around 7.5p then that’s 356 mpg equivalent. That’s black and white how clear the benefit is.

[Turtle Shed]

Well funnily enough I had a home charger before I had an EV. British Gas/Polar would fit them for free upon request, so I got one.

Following the install I bought (in 2014) a Nissan Leaf on a PCP deal. At the time charging via a rapid was free at motorway service stations and as we lived very near one, which was on a regular route, we charged for free for a couple of years. The free charging was very much part of the decision to get the car as the fuel savings covered a big chunk of the cost.

We still have the Leaf, and we still have the charger, albeit at a different house.

I still wouldn't have bought without home charging though, and wouldn't now either.

[Mr Penguin]

No EV in the Penguin household (yet), but I would probably only drive it when I can easily charge at home except in emergencies. Too many apps, too many broken chargers, too many people blocking them (either charging their cars or just being knobs).

[SWoll]

Martyn76 said:

SWoll said:

Essentially the same thing as home charging though really? Costs bugger all, takes no effort and you can be sure of availability.

If they removed work charging or you changed jobs to one without it, what would your opinion be then?

I'd stump up for a home charger.

You're appear to be struggling with the point of the thread.

Nomme de Plum said:

With due respect to SW it will be on a case by case basis. This new remote external supply has to be metered so how that is achieved could be quite convoluted. Whilst £10K sounds a lot I could easily see costs in the oder of £5K. I say this as someone who costed building services including external electrical services. Cables will need to be sized on run length so not as to suffer out of tolerance volt drop.

Assuming on private property the reinstatement costs alone could be very substantial.

The laughable thing is there have been multiple people on this very forum that have been quoted obscene amounts to fit a 7Kw charger due to all sorts of issues. But no, for some reason I'm full of s**t despite having no motivation for that to be the case.

Got to love PH posters. If something hasn't happened in their personal experience, the it doesn't happen at all apparently.

Edited by SWoll on Saturday 13th April 22:11