Would you have an EV without home charging?

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

Martyn76 said:

SWoll said:

Essentially the same thing as home charging though really? Costs bugger all, takes no effort and you can be sure of availability.

If they removed work charging or you changed jobs to one without it, what would your opinion be then?

I'd stump up for a home charger.

You're appear to be struggling with the point of the thread.

Nomme de Plum said:

With due respect to SW it will be on a case by case basis. This new remote external supply has to be metered so how that is achieved could be quite convoluted. Whilst £10K sounds a lot I could easily see costs in the oder of £5K. I say this as someone who costed building services including external electrical services. Cables will need to be sized on run length so not as to suffer out of tolerance volt drop.

Assuming on private property the reinstatement costs alone could be very substantial.

The laughable thing is there have been multiple people on this very forum that have been quoted obscene amounts to fit a 7Kw charger due to all sorts of issues. But no, for some reason I'm full of s**t despite having no motivation for that to be the case.

Got to love PH posters. If something hasn't happened in their personal experience, the it doesn't happen at all apparently.

Edited by SWoll on Saturday 13th April 22:11

I think it was more that you said you knew a few people that had been quoted 10k or whatever, which would suggest it doesn't just happen, but is actually very common - which is surprising and therefore likely to raise the question 'why so much', which is what people asked..

[FiF]

TheDeuce said:

SWoll said:

Martyn76 said:

SWoll said:

Essentially the same thing as home charging though really? Costs bugger all, takes no effort and you can be sure of availability.

If they removed work charging or you changed jobs to one without it, what would your opinion be then?

I'd stump up for a home charger.

You're appear to be struggling with the point of the thread.

Nomme de Plum said:

With due respect to SW it will be on a case by case basis. This new remote external supply has to be metered so how that is achieved could be quite convoluted. Whilst £10K sounds a lot I could easily see costs in the oder of £5K. I say this as someone who costed building services including external electrical services. Cables will need to be sized on run length so not as to suffer out of tolerance volt drop.

Assuming on private property the reinstatement costs alone could be very substantial.

The laughable thing is there have been multiple people on this very forum that have been quoted obscene amounts to fit a 7Kw charger due to all sorts of issues. But no, for some reason I'm full of s**t despite having no motivation for that to be the case.

Got to love PH posters. If something hasn't happened in their personal experience, the it doesn't happen at all apparently.

Edited by SWoll on Saturday 13th April 22:11

I think it was more that you said you knew a few people that had been quoted 10k or whatever, which would suggest it doesn't just happen, but is actually very common - which is surprising and therefore likely to raise the question 'why so much', which is what people asked..

Plus the point that it's yet another factor to wind into the decision process. If it costs 1- 2- 5 - 10 - 15k or whatever it's something that could affect thinking. That's all, no comment on veracity of any of SW's or other claims.

[SWoll]

TheDeuce said:

I think it was more that you said you knew a few people that had been quoted 10k or whatever, which would suggest it doesn't just happen, but is actually very common - which is surprising and therefore likely to raise the question 'why so much', which is what people asked..

People asked? Accused me of bullstting you mean?

Not sure why a person saying they are aware of a small number of people experiencing something suggests it's "very common" either TBH?

The whole EV thing does appear to bring out an almost religious fervor in some on both sides of the debate. It's getting more and more like NP&E in here by the day.

[Evanivitch]

SWoll said:

The laughable thing is there have been multiple people on this very forum that have been quoted obscene amounts to fit a 7Kw charger due to all sorts of issues. But no, for some reason I'm full of s**t despite having no motivation for that to be the case.

Got to love PH posters. If something hasn't happened in their personal experience, the it doesn't happen at all apparently.

Edited by SWoll on Saturday 13th April 22:11

You get called out on BS and want to flap about it?

[TheDeuce]

FiF said:

Plus the point that it's yet another factor to wind into the decision process. If it costs 1- 2- 5 - 10 - 15k or whatever it's something that could affect thinking. That's all, no comment on veracity of any of SW's or other claims.

I suppose there's a potential value in solving the problem of fitting a charger to a property where it's awkward and expensive - for whatever reason. Realistically by the time the current owners sell the property, the incoming buyers probably are going to be thinking about where the EV charger could go and how tricky it might be to get installed - if it's already in place and the work done, that could have a marginal effect on the property value, or simplicity of sale.

It's impossible to ascertain the specific value of various individual home improvements.. But if say the house is sold in 5 years time, I reckon most prospective buyers would at that point list the existence of an EV charger as positive, whatever value they might attribute to it. It's certainly very likely that whoever owns the house next will at some point during their tenure need an EV charger.

By the same token, buyers of their first EV's must see getting a charger fitted as a potential headache, which is manufacturers selling EV's have cottoned on to it being a great idea to bundle a charger + installation with the car, and that is now relatively common as an incentive to buy.

The typical cost if you don't happen to get one for 'free' is more like £1500 for most homes. It's not a fun way to spend that sort of £££ but relatively easy to justify given the immediate savings and convenience.

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

TheDeuce said:

I think it was more that you said you knew a few people that had been quoted 10k or whatever, which would suggest it doesn't just happen, but is actually very common - which is surprising and therefore likely to raise the question 'why so much', which is what people asked..

People asked? Accused me of bullstting you mean?

Not sure why a person saying they are aware of a small number of people experiencing something suggests it's "very common" either TBH?

The whole EV thing does appear to bring out an almost religious fervor in some on both sides of the debate. It's getting more and more like NP&E in here by the day.

I think people mostly just want to know why the few people you know ended up with such high quotes. You could just explain the situation which lead to the high cost, it might be something that others could benefit from understanding.

I do think that if a single person knows 3 or more other people that have a £10k quote to fit a charger, that such quotes must be fairly common - unless you live in an area of old listed and awkward to modify buildings etc, which nobody can know unless you offer some more details behind the surprisingly high figures quoted.

[SWoll]

TheDeuce said:

I think people mostly just want to know why the few people you know ended up with such high quotes. You could just explain the situation which lead to the high cost, it might be something that others could benefit from understanding.

I do think that if a single person knows 3 or more other people that have a £10k quote to fit a charger, that such quotes must be fairly common - unless you live in an area of old listed and awkward to modify buildings etc, which nobody can know unless you offer some more details behind the surprisingly high figures quoted.

Blimey, this still going?

Just to clarify, I said £5-10k

These few reports are over a 5+ year period, so hardly common.

Multiple posters on PH have reported these kid of quotes.

Maybe I know more people with larger, older properties than others on here that require substantial additional work?

Evanivitch said:

You get called out on BS and want to flap about it?

As mentioned previously, what possible motivation would I have for that to be the case? We've run EV's for 5+ years so very much not in the anti camp.

Edited by SWoll on Sunday 14th April 09:33

[Bobupndown]

SWoll said:

EV owner for 5 years, now on our 4th. Even with our low mileage these days (<10k per year) I wouldn't consider it without being able to charge at home.

Life is too short, and public charging is too expensive.

All new EV's or used each time?

[fatjon]

£500 for a charger, £289 for an RCD and isolator and 30m of SWA cable. Installed on a garage 20m away using a SWA cable and catenary for £400 by a local contractor. It would need to be a hellishly difficult and involved job to get into the £2k+ territory. Cannot imagine what kind of hell it needs to be to get to 5-10k unless it involves a lot of road digging or huge distances.

[Michael_B]

fatjon said:

£500 for a charger, £289 for an RCD and isolator and 30m of SWA cable. Installed on a garage 20m away using a SWA cable and catenary for £400 by a local contractor. It would need to be a hellishly difficult and involved job to get into the £2k+ territory. Cannot imagine what kind of hell it needs to be to get to 5-10k unless it involves a lot of road digging or huge distances.

Had an 11kW 3-phase charger installed on the front of an 18th century listed stone barn (1 metre thick walls) in one of the most expensive countries in Europe (minimum wage here is £49k/year), including a metal-encased key-switch and £300 obligatory post-installation test by a technician mandated by the local electricity board. Total cost £2k, of which the Geneva government kindly reimbursed me 50% a few months later.

[ChocolateFrog]

No chance.

At the mercy of circa 80p a unit and sub 2 miles in winter.

Give me a burbly V8 any day of the week in that scenario.

[borcy]

Numpty question, do many of the companies that fit them only fit them if you have a smart meter?

[fatjon]

borcy said:

Numpty question, do many of the companies that fit them only fit them if you have a smart meter?

No necessity for a smart meter but some cheap rate tariffs are only available with a smart meter.

[Gary C]

PSRG said:

I can charge it at work (free)

This is what gets me where I work.

We have ~10 charging points and people have to pay for it, fair enough ?

But we make the bloody stuff ! 1200 MW is going offsite and 50 free chargers wouldn't even be noticed in the noise. We make low carbon electricity and what good publicity it would make for the staff to make low carbon and travel to and from work low carbon.

To be honest, a small two seat sports car EV would be ideal for me

[borcy]

fatjon said:

No necessity for a smart meter but some cheap rate tariffs are only available with a smart meter.

Cheers.

[sixor8]

On Octopus Go, you get 9p per kWh between 00:30 and 04:30 and you don't need a wall charger, as long as you have a smart meter and agree to every 30 min usage updating. I use a 3-pin plug with the supplied lead.

I can leave it plugged into the car and schedule it to start and stop at these times. If you're a majority short local journeys like me these days, it's enough.

[FWIW]

sixor8 said:

On Octopus Go, you get 9p per kWh between 00:30 and 04:30 and you don't need a wall charger, as long as you have a smart meter and agree to every 30 min usage updating. I use a 3-pin plug with the supplied lead.

I can leave it plugged into the car and schedule it to start and stop at these times. If you're a majority short local journeys like me these days, it's enough.

Wouldn’t you be better on intelligent?

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

Late to the party, but one data point:

Yes, I'd have an EV without home charging. Probably not in the UK (based on what I read here) and a few other places I've been to. But Switzerland is not that bad, based on ca.18 months/40,000km. However, our local trips are in the ballpark of 50km-100km per week. If we did more, popping over to France for a quick and cheap charge a few times a month wouldn't be a deal (or bank) breaker.

But I have to admit that a recent holiday trip made me appreciate the possibility of hooking the car up to a Level 1 charger - enough to cover the local tourism we did (at a heady 1.8kW )

[Evanivitch]

FWIW said:

sixor8 said:

On Octopus Go, you get 9p per kWh between 00:30 and 04:30 and you don't need a wall charger, as long as you have a smart meter and agree to every 30 min usage updating. I use a 3-pin plug with the supplied lead.

I can leave it plugged into the car and schedule it to start and stop at these times. If you're a majority short local journeys like me these days, it's enough.

Wouldn’t you be better on intelligent?

Would depend if they have a compatible car.

[MrB.]

I've been driving EVs for my job (EV journo) for 4 years now, and I don't have a wall box at home. I have a large driveway, and up until now, its been mainly fine just going and charging when I'm out and about. However, the cost has gone up significantly, and now I've just taken on another new long-term press car (6 months on this one, the last was only 3 months) I know its going to annoy the beejesus out of me, so I am looking to alleviate the situation soon.

What I am trying to say is, it's not impossible, but it becomes a PIA.