More Possible French Speeding Crack Downs

[XJ Flyer]

Dave200 said:

XJ Flyer said:

Dave200 said:

This is all it boils down to. If you don't like the rules, fly and take the train.

Exactly.Which explains the reason why clear continental motorways which are perfectly suitable for 100 mph + speeds are being lumbered with speed limits of just 20 mph more than the uk single carraigeway NSL at best.IE a deliberate policy of criminalising drivers for what is a trivial offence not to mention turning an expensive infrastructure into a pointless liability.IE corrupt corporate protectionism.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 22 May 15:01

You really have a load of sand in your v*gina over this.

P*ssing and moaning on PH will do absolutely nothing to solve your perceived injustice - in fact, I would go so far as to say that it is impossible for an individual to persuade the French government to raise speed limits.

Therefore, why not have a bash at the grown-up and pragmatic approach of millions of other motorists, and deal with the fact that the limits are there, whether you agree with them or not. Otherwise you just end up sounding like a small child who has lost his favourite toy...

It's obviously impossible for 'an individual' to make the French government see sense and end their stupid crusade to make expensive autoroutes a pointless white elephant.But it's not 'impossible' if a lot more people tell them the same thing.It's called democracy and policing by consent.The road 'safety' lobby,greens,socialists,and the other interests as stated obviously wouldn't see it that way though.

[Dave200]

XJ Flyer said:

Dave200 said:

XJ Flyer said:

Dave200 said:

This is all it boils down to. If you don't like the rules, fly and take the train.

Exactly.Which explains the reason why clear continental motorways which are perfectly suitable for 100 mph + speeds are being lumbered with speed limits of just 20 mph more than the uk single carraigeway NSL at best.IE a deliberate policy of criminalising drivers for what is a trivial offence not to mention turning an expensive infrastructure into a pointless liability.IE corrupt corporate protectionism.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 22 May 15:01

You really have a load of sand in your v*gina over this.

P*ssing and moaning on PH will do absolutely nothing to solve your perceived injustice - in fact, I would go so far as to say that it is impossible for an individual to persuade the French government to raise speed limits.

Therefore, why not have a bash at the grown-up and pragmatic approach of millions of other motorists, and deal with the fact that the limits are there, whether you agree with them or not. Otherwise you just end up sounding like a small child who has lost his favourite toy...

It's obviously impossible for 'an individual' to make the French government see sense and end their stupid crusade to make expensive autoroutes a pointless white elephant.But it's not 'impossible' if a lot more people tell them the same thing.It's called democracy and policing by consent.The road 'safety' lobby,greens,socialists,and the other interests as stated obviously wouldn't see it that way though.

In what way does moaning on PH, to a largely uninterested/unsympathetic audience, achieve this?

Aside from a handful in the '750 and proud' club, the majority sentiment on here appears to favour sensible driving at reasonable speed limits. By contrast, you tend to sound like one of the loons standing on a stepladder at Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park.

[XJ Flyer]

Dave200 said:

XJ Flyer said:

Dave200 said:

XJ Flyer said:

Dave200 said:

This is all it boils down to. If you don't like the rules, fly and take the train.

Exactly.Which explains the reason why clear continental motorways which are perfectly suitable for 100 mph + speeds are being lumbered with speed limits of just 20 mph more than the uk single carraigeway NSL at best.IE a deliberate policy of criminalising drivers for what is a trivial offence not to mention turning an expensive infrastructure into a pointless liability.IE corrupt corporate protectionism.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 22 May 15:01

You really have a load of sand in your v*gina over this.

P*ssing and moaning on PH will do absolutely nothing to solve your perceived injustice - in fact, I would go so far as to say that it is impossible for an individual to persuade the French government to raise speed limits.

Therefore, why not have a bash at the grown-up and pragmatic approach of millions of other motorists, and deal with the fact that the limits are there, whether you agree with them or not. Otherwise you just end up sounding like a small child who has lost his favourite toy...

It's obviously impossible for 'an individual' to make the French government see sense and end their stupid crusade to make expensive autoroutes a pointless white elephant.But it's not 'impossible' if a lot more people tell them the same thing.It's called democracy and policing by consent.The road 'safety' lobby,greens,socialists,and the other interests as stated obviously wouldn't see it that way though.

In what way does moaning on PH, to a largely uninterested/unsympathetic audience, achieve this?

Aside from a handful in the '750 and proud' club, the majority sentiment on here appears to favour sensible driving at reasonable speed limits. By contrast, you tend to sound like one of the loons standing on a stepladder at Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park.

The way I see it the so called 'majority' is actually a strange PH minority anti speed lobby supporting the idea of the 130 kmh autoroute speed limit and the present draconian enforcement of it.While I'd suggest that it's a lot more than just some '750 and proud club' who share the opposite view.IE a bit like the situation in which we've got minority view green party policies being applied regarding traffic regulation without a green mandate.

[Dave200]

Hyperbole and straw-man arguments.

Where are all these people who agree with you? Why don't they ever jump to your defence in the numerous threads you've posted about this?

The majority view, unless it had completely escaped you, is that good progress can be made while staying within sensible speed limits.

Please give it a rest with the bleating.

[aww999]

I agree with him. The idea that doing 100+mph in a decent car on an empty motorway is dangerous is just ridiculous. Why spend a ton of money on long, straight, wide smooth roads, and then force people to crawl along them at 80?

[Engineer1]

aww999 said:

I agree with him. The idea that doing 100+mph in a decent car on an empty motorway is dangerous is just ridiculous. Why spend a ton of money on long, straight, wide smooth roads, and then force people to crawl along them at 80?

They built them they wrote the rules, and 80 is better than 70,

[aww999]

It makes as much sense as writing a rule that says you can't step on the cracks in the pavement, and employing marksmen to eliminate transgressors. Would you blindly accept that one as well? Did they, by any chance, set the limit 50 years ago, fail to update it in line with improvements in vehicle safety and tyre technology, and then choose to enforce it more and more rigorously as it became more and more anachronistic? Perhaps if we were all as angry about it as XJ then something might be done. But no, even PHers are all content to bumble along at 50% of a sensible Vmax.

[davidd]

French event, French roads, French rules. If you don't like it don't go.

[XJ Flyer]

Engineer1 said:

aww999 said:

I agree with him. The idea that doing 100+mph in a decent car on an empty motorway is dangerous is just ridiculous. Why spend a ton of money on long, straight, wide smooth roads, and then force people to crawl along them at 80?

They built them they wrote the rules, and 80 is better than 70,

The fact is paying loads of money for the privilege of using a clear straight autoroute,that's subject to a draconian 80 mph speed enforcement regime,is a joke when compared to the uk dual carriageway NSL.

The fact that the UK's motorways are subject to a similarly unreasonable speed enforcement regime doesn't justify the relatively worse French situation.When road and traffic conditions and the cost in tolls is taken into account.The fact that might upset the anti speed lobby on PH is no reason not to make the point.

[XJ Flyer]

aww999 said:

Did they, by any chance, set the limit 50 years ago, fail to update it in line with improvements in vehicle safety and tyre technology, and then choose to enforce it more and more rigorously as it became more and more anachronistic? Perhaps if we were all as angry about it as XJ then something might be done. But no, even PHers are all content to bumble along at 50% of a sensible Vmax.

Having been familiar with using the French motorway system since the 1980's what actually happened is that like Germany the 130 kmh limit was more or less treated and intended to be treated as a guideline.In general although the limit was there it wasn't enforced to a large degree.It's not the limit that's changed or even needed to be changed.What's changed is the level of enforcement of it which has changed massively compared to earlier years and that's the real issue.

[davidd]

This thread has changed and I do agree that it would be good if French (and UK) motorway speed limits had a higher limit.

I am in no way anti speed or even anti speeding for that matter. The point is that the French police are strict at the moment especially around race weekends. I'm my view it is not worth the risk. We'll sit on the limit and look at the cars and maybe if I'm lucky average 20mpg!

We got stopped in 2012, from memory we were doing 130 in a 110 or a 90 (I was not sure what the limit was) and got pulled over by a couple of police motorcyclists. They were very reasonable, checked our documents, had a bit if a chat and then said..

'Enjoy the race but please... Not on our roads' and got back on their bikes..

I took that as a lucky escape and will pay more attention in future.

D

[XJ Flyer]

davidd said:

This thread has changed and I do agree that it would be good if French (and UK) motorway speed limits had a higher limit.

I am in no way anti speed or even anti speeding for that matter. The point is that the French police are strict at the moment especially around race weekends. I'm my view it is not worth the risk. We'll sit on the limit and look at the cars and maybe if I'm lucky average 20mpg!

We got stopped in 2012, from memory we were doing 130 in a 110 or a 90 (I was not sure what the limit was) and got pulled over by a couple of police motorcyclists. They were very reasonable, checked our documents, had a bit if a chat and then said..

'Enjoy the race but please... Not on our roads' and got back on their bikes..

I took that as a lucky escape and will pay more attention in future.

D

The issue is that there is a difference between reasonable limits being strongly enforced.As opposed to the political reduction and/or over enforcement on sections of road that were either subject to higher limits like the RN's or what are 130 kmh sections of autoroute.IE that translates into the simple fact that there's too much hassle for anyone running over 90 kmh on an RN where 120 kmh was considered no big deal previously let alone much more than 130 kmh on a clear straight autoroute.

IE it's no good trying to justify over enforcement in the right places and conditions by using the example of reasonable enforcement in the wrong places.In general the French authorities are just being a bunch of PC and politically driven tossers.Hopefully that might change with a change in political direction away from socialist EU dictated bullst.

www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/fr...

Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 30th May 17:44

[leyorkie]

Not everybody takes the hint.
NOT on race weekends

http://www.lemainelibre.fr/actualite/le-mans-contr...

On another note, can you get all those slow cars out of my way on the M25 roadworks please, come on 80kph on main road when I in my French reg P&J are immune from your slow limits.

[Nohedes]

Dave200 said:

Hyperbole and straw-man arguments.

Where are all these people who agree with you? Why don't they ever jump to your defence in the numerous threads you've posted about this?

The majority view, unless it had completely escaped you, is that good progress can be made while staying within sensible speed limits.

Please give it a rest with the bleating.

I don't think you can assume that everyone agrees with you, just because they haven't posted in support of the counter argument. This is one of the issues on PH that I generally don't find is worth discussing, as it tends to be dominated by two groups of people with polar view points relentlessly disagreeing.

[davidd]

XJ Flyer said:

www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/fr...

Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 30th May 17:44

Interesting link, certainly puts things into a different light.