Le Mans and speeding

[lowdrag]

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

[andyps]

lowdrag said:

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

It does seem that XJFlyer has a view of reality which he has created himself and each of his posts help him to reinforce that view, building on his own preconception. I actually wonder if he reads them back thinking they were written by someone else and therefore believing someone agrees with him!

[FredericRobinson]

lowdrag said:

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

She must have been, the alternative is that she died in a speed related accident on French roads

[freedman]

FredericRobinson said:

Has there been any suggestion that the UK police advised UK motorists to do anything other then follow French law?

Thats exactly what they did

I was stopped at the first toll outside Calais on Friday

UK OB gave me the leaflet and warned me how the speed traps were apprently set only a few KPH above the limit

Both he and the Gendarmes there were polite and seemed to want everyone to enjoy themesleves, but be aware of the laws and potential penalties for failing to observe

[XJ Flyer]

FredericRobinson said:

lowdrag said:

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

She must have been, the alternative is that she died in a speed related accident on French roads

If the story is to be believed she actually died in a drink/drug driving related loss of control of a vehicle which was being driven at 'an excessive speed for the road design' in an inner city area.

Which therefore wasn't connected in any way with high speed running on French autoroutes by a medically capable driver or even out of town RN/D roads.

Which also might fit in with the explanation as to why French police have reportedly been sabotaging fixed speed detection equipment on the grounds that speed isn't the issue concerning French road casualty figures.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 21st June 01:14

[XJ Flyer]

freedman said:

FredericRobinson said:

Has there been any suggestion that the UK police advised UK motorists to do anything other then follow French law?

Thats exactly what they did

I don't think that I've suggested otherwise.IE my suggestion is UK instigated 'involvement' in French traffic enforcement.The 'involvement' being a fact the 'level' of the involvement obviously being open to conjecture.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 21st June 01:21

[Mattygooner]

I think your tin foil hat is malfunctioning, or possibly, based on your recent posts, Le Mans has left you behind somewhat, you don't like the cars, or the French speeding laws....

The fact that the gendarmie seem to have made an effort to Improve relations with uk drivers by bringing over some UK plod to assist with warnings and advice is to be applauded and not looked upon as some conspiracy to enforce our traffic laws across Europe.

As has been expressed and highlighted, it is their country, their laws, and their enforcement. Don't take the piss and they will leave you be.

[XJ Flyer]

Mattygooner said:

I think your tin foil hat is malfunctioning, or possibly, based on your recent posts, Le Mans has left you behind somewhat, you don't like the cars, or the French speeding laws....

The fact that the gendarmie seem to have made an effort to Improve relations with uk drivers by bringing over some UK plod to assist with warnings and advice is to be applauded and not looked upon as some conspiracy to enforce our traffic laws across Europe.

As has been expressed and highlighted, it is their country, their laws, and their enforcement. Don't take the piss and they will leave you be.

The fact that the French law enforcement community is obviously involved in an argument amongst itself with it's own authorities.Concerning the fact that speed is being erroneously blamed for road casualties and over enforcement being applied on French roads accordingly unlike in previous years,seems to prove who is actually taking the piss in this case.

It's certainly not way out tin foil hat theory to then make the obvious connection with the exact same policy possibly more than 'coincidentally' being the cornerstone of UK road 'safety' policy.IE it seems strange how things seemed to have changed in that regard on French roads and amongst it's law enforcement and even stranger that we then find UK traffic police pushing the agenda on the ground there.While obviously not all French plod are in agreement with their UK counterparts regarding the issue.

[blueg33]

We saw no gendarmes presence apart from one speed trap on saturday on the road into LeMans from the circuit. That was an urban road and when I went past they had just pulled a middle aged french lady driver.

The rest of the weekend, the trip down and back not a single gendarme.

[AW111]

lowdrag said:

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

I don't think it's the real XJFlyer at all : he/she hasn't blamed BRAKE for anything for several pages at least.

[XJ Flyer]

AW111 said:

I don't think it's the real XJFlyer at all : he/she hasn't blamed BRAKE for anything for several pages at least.

I think the reference,to the UK 'speed' enforcement regime being one of the main cornerstones of UK road 'safety' policy,is close enough.Unlike the policy in France until at least recently.

[XJ Flyer]

blueg33 said:

We saw no gendarmes presence apart from one speed trap on saturday on the road into LeMans from the circuit. That was an urban road and when I went past they had just pulled a middle aged french lady driver.

The rest of the weekend, the trip down and back not a single gendarme.

The Gendarme 'prescence' in question being very likely to be of the type which you wouldn't 'see' unless they nicked you.

[blueg33]

XJ Flyer said:

The Gendarme 'prescence' in question being very likely to be of the type which you wouldn't 'see' unless they nicked you.

Well we didnt get nicked

[ben5732]

To be fair I wouldn't of seen one of them if it wasn't for the fact I spotted a lightbar just sticking over the top of some rather tall grass then a 1/4 mile later two cars parked up waiting for speeders.

[andyps]

I travel to Brittany at least four times each year using the Dover - Calais crossing. It is a rare trip where we don't spot a roadside Gendarmerie car which I generally take to be watching for speeding drivers. Therefore to see them on a weekend when it is "tradition" for a large number of British drivers, in cars which are capable of speeds rather higher than the posted limits, to drive very quickly is not at all surprising.

If there was a 24 hour race in Bolton each June and, say 50000 French came across and were well known to break the speed limits by large margins whilst travelling on the motorways to get there would there not be a large amount of the UK population expecting our police to do something about it?

Speed has become a major police issue in many countries, it has been directly linked to the accident rate (rightly or wrongly) and is now enforced more than previously. I don't think the French have changed much more than the UK other than they still use people rather than just cameras for their enforcement.

[aw51 121565]

lowdrag said:

Dblue, please look through XJFlyer's threads. He is provocative and nor worth replying to. The sooner we all realise this the better. Maybe he'll stop posting. I live in hope. I think he still believes that Lady Di was killed by the special forces.

There were at least eleventy grassy knolls in Paris that night (Kennedy reference ); which one did the assassin use?

Was there a white FIAT Uno, and was Phil The Greek driving it? Or was he in The Book Depository making inappropriate jokes about A Nip In The Wind?

Trolling in this thread is on a similar (dark ) level...

[XJ Flyer]

andyps said:

I travel to Brittany at least four times each year using the Dover - Calais crossing. It is a rare trip where we don't spot a roadside Gendarmerie car which I generally take to be watching for speeding drivers. Therefore to see them on a weekend when it is "tradition" for a large number of British drivers, in cars which are capable of speeds rather higher than the posted limits, to drive very quickly is not at all surprising.

If there was a 24 hour race in Bolton each June and, say 50000 French came across and were well known to break the speed limits by large margins whilst travelling on the motorways to get there would there not be a large amount of the UK population expecting our police to do something about it?



Speed has become a major police issue in many countries,

Firstly historically in my experience it's just as,if not more,likely that it'll be German drivers or Dutch or Swiss or Danish who'll be running at the type of speeds in question in France,and other countries like Italy and Germany,on route to/from motoring events,not just Brits.However it's also unlikely that you'll find their police giving a st what their country's nationals do on roads outside those countries.Especially when those roads are those subject to the type of road and traffic conditions found specifically on French motorways.IE how many German Plod as opposed to British were there on the ground in France for example.

Yes speed is becoming an ever increasing enforcement issue throughout Europe.However,together with America, it's the UK where the rot set in first and foremost and continues to do so here at an even more increasing rate than in places like Germany and Italy.While it seems obvious that France is taking it's position more from the US and UK position than the German or Italian one at least in regards to the motorway speed regime.

Which then leaves the obvious inconvenient issue for the UK plod that there are documented reports of French traffic police trying to sabotage their own government's speed enforcement policy because even they don't agree with it themselves.

Which seems to point to what I'm saying from experience of better days in France that what we're seeing there in recent times is an alien and erroneous enforcement policy that's obviously being pushed through by an outside agenda.

No doubt because the UK enforcement regime would increasingly seem less credible assuming that France stayed with it's previously more relaxed speed enforcement regime.Rather than following the UK line.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 22 June 01:50

[XJ Flyer]

aw51 121565 said:

There were at least eleventy grassy knolls in Paris that night (Kennedy reference ); which one did the assassin use?

Was there a white FIAT Uno, and was Phil The Greek driving it?

'If' the spooks did want to get rid of Di and Dodi they obviously wouldn't have needed to find any 'grassy knolls in Paris.When a rigged Merc with loss of access to neutral gear selection and ignition,brakes,and throttle with just the throttle being controlled by outside 'dark forces' would probably have worked just fine.

As for a motive I'd guess that Di possibly having married Dodi and then deciding to take on the establishment in a custody battle for her sons resulting in them being taken to live in America might just have tipped the balance.But that might be considered by some as way out tin foil hat bullst.

As for me who gives a st.When I'd be far more bothered about losing the car or being jailed for a speed 'offence' on French motorways because the French plod ( or is that the UK plod ) think that Di and Dodi were wiped out by someone who just happened to be driving too fast,in their view,on a clear French autoroute.Rather than a pissed drugged up French minder who thought he could drive.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 22 June 01:57

[webby23]

Talk about going off topic..........

Diana died as a result of a drunk and drugged driver trying to escape from chasing photographers.

Anything else is up there along with Elvis "still being alive and running a chip shop in Bolton......"

Edited by webby23 on Sunday 22 June 09:39

[cwinterb]

XJ Flyer said:

andyps said:

Essexjohn said:

Four of us in two MX5s, 15 mins North east of Le Mans on Sunday morning. Just north of Change on the road to Bonnetable...117km in a 90km limit. Following 4 French cars, who obviously were let through and we got pulled. Absolutely no way we were doing that....indicated 74mph allowing for the optimistic speedo. No way.

No point in arguing, we had a crossing to catch. Just a minor downside to a great weekend. 90 euros each. Ah well.... We were cautious for the next few miles....

As 74mph is 119kmh, even with a 10% error you were exceeding the limit so you were right not to argue.

If I've read it right the post says no way was it an indicated 74 mph.Which,assuming they're aware of the 90 kmh limit,sounds sensible.In which case as I said it's still arguably better to use the autoroutes where possible from the point of view of the speed v penalty equation.

I was driving the MX5 behind Essexjohn. What he is saying, and I agree, is that there is no way we were doing an indicated 70MPH+. We were well aware it was a 90kmh limit. We were following several French vehicles, one of which was towing a caravan, all of whom were allowed to continue. We were not speeding. No evidence was offered, other than the word of the Gendarmes who pulled us over. Simple targeting of British number plates I am afraid.