Speeding fines to be transmitted to the UK
Discussion
I would like to see their source for this, I can find no changes to EU / UK law that enables points to be transferred.
A pan European agreement already exists, but UK, RoI and Denmark did not sign up to it. From what I can see is that the UK has signed up to proving owner details to European countries so that they can persue the fine as a civil debt. The UK also wants to do this so that unpaid congestion charges and Tolls for the new Dartford crossing can be persued. But it is money they are chasing and not points.
Actually using criminal law would be difficult in English law as, in France, you can get 1 point for up to a 20kph offence, whereas the UK give 3 points for 10%+2pmh. Mr Loophole would have a field day rewriting English case law. Interestingly the RoI and Northern Ireland have completed their own cross-border agreement.
The best advice is still to keep to speed limits overseas. Cross border traffic accounts for only 5% in Europe yet it accounts for 15% of traffic accidents.
A pan European agreement already exists, but UK, RoI and Denmark did not sign up to it. From what I can see is that the UK has signed up to proving owner details to European countries so that they can persue the fine as a civil debt. The UK also wants to do this so that unpaid congestion charges and Tolls for the new Dartford crossing can be persued. But it is money they are chasing and not points.
Actually using criminal law would be difficult in English law as, in France, you can get 1 point for up to a 20kph offence, whereas the UK give 3 points for 10%+2pmh. Mr Loophole would have a field day rewriting English case law. Interestingly the RoI and Northern Ireland have completed their own cross-border agreement.
The best advice is still to keep to speed limits overseas. Cross border traffic accounts for only 5% in Europe yet it accounts for 15% of traffic accidents.
If I could get my bloody scanner to work I'd put up the article, but here are the salient words:-
"British registered drivers caught by radars speeding in France are to get fines sent in the post to their UK homes - but not until 2017. It comes as European transport ministers agreed that an information sharing everywhere despite the UK, Ireland and Denmark previously opting out........
A Transport Department spokeswoman said the UK now backs the plan as "it is not right that foreign drivers go unpunished in the UK". The scheme means that Britons with French holiday homes will no longer go unpunished in France, nor will French-registered cars get away with offences in the UK"
There is more, but that is the nub of the article in The Connexion and while I haven't looked you might be able to read it on www.connexionfrance.com.
"British registered drivers caught by radars speeding in France are to get fines sent in the post to their UK homes - but not until 2017. It comes as European transport ministers agreed that an information sharing everywhere despite the UK, Ireland and Denmark previously opting out........
A Transport Department spokeswoman said the UK now backs the plan as "it is not right that foreign drivers go unpunished in the UK". The scheme means that Britons with French holiday homes will no longer go unpunished in France, nor will French-registered cars get away with offences in the UK"
There is more, but that is the nub of the article in The Connexion and while I haven't looked you might be able to read it on www.connexionfrance.com.
Glad it's reciprical, on this side of the channel, and here's hoping. once they've pulled them over they put their poxy motors through our once a year, very strict MOT, rather than their 24 month joke of a test.Non my friend, you can go no further until you get all those faults fixed or it's ze crusher for you, see how they like a bit of EU traffic law.
Thats a shame if true because the French Police are notorious for staking out routes to events like Le Mans & issuing on the spot fines which i suspect go straight in their back pocket, without any merit or evidence.
I have experienced this first hand - a cash fine is one thing but transferable points is a whole new ball game especially when its a fraudulent. Lets hope if it does happend they will clean up their act.
I have experienced this first hand - a cash fine is one thing but transferable points is a whole new ball game especially when its a fraudulent. Lets hope if it does happend they will clean up their act.
Unfortunately the same old epithets are still being spouted. You speed in France and are given a ticket. If you haven't got a French cheque book it is either cash or go to the hole in the wall and draw out enough to pay the fine. If it's a French registered car you get the fine through the post. Of course, if you were the BiB in France you would no doubt accept the statement that "I'll pay the fine from the UK", even if they could understand you. Not 'alf you would. If you keep the ticket, you can check the position of the fine on the government web site, thus having the proof that the fine for the offence has been weighed and paid, not stuck in the back pocket for a night out with the lads. The new system gives the French the right to pursue you for the fine if you are caught by a fixed camera, not the boys at the side of the road. Sadly, it is going to be the same for me in the UK, where I have really enjoyed having fun where average speeds are in force and also the fixed radars. Sic transit Gloria.
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