Best lease car deals available?

[Wills2]

VX Foxy said:

Got a link for that deal?

I haven't mate, but it's available through the BMW network they are supporting the 6 series on contract hire.

This was a stock car, so they had optioned it, a basic factory order 640d M sport coupe was £487 + VAT on 10k so I pushed them for deal on the GC which ended up being £555 + VAT on 15k.

Granted It's not "cheap" like the Golf R deal, but it's a lot of car for the money IMHO.

[Wills2]

gizlaroc said:

That's fair enough.

I would have to go 640i myself though, if you're only doing 15k miles a year and spending £666 a month on the car, what does another £10 a week in fuel matter?

Take a 640i out properly before you decide, it is a stonker.

I like this diesel engine, I've had a string of M3's and a 911 over the last few years so fancy something different.

[gizlaroc]

Wills2 said:

I like this diesel engine, I've had a string of M3's and a 911 over the last few years so fancy something different.

But the FI 640i feels like the diesel but with a decent rev limit and a nice sound, and is only about 20% behind the diesel in economy, plus fuel prices that gap narrows.

Not saying you will go for the 640i, but definitely try one before you decide.

As refined as the 640d is, the 640i is on another level in that regard.

£45 a week in fuel vs £54 a week, so price just not an issue, so worth trying the 640i.

[CYMR0]

gizlaroc said:

£45 a week in fuel vs £54 a week, so price just not an issue, so worth trying the 640i.

Fair point, but what's the gap in depreciation or lease costs?

[Unlight]

Any deals around for the new Mini Countryman?

[gizlaroc]

CYMR0 said:

Fair point, but what's the gap in depreciation or lease costs?

Not alot in it, not on the grand Coupe anyway.

Got figures for my Dads business partner on both. Think the petrol was actually cheaper.

I will grab my laptop and look at the quotes. Give me a minute.

[gizlaroc]

OK, around £25 a month cheaper for the 640i, cheaper to start with and balloon only £1k less at the end.

640d GC M-Sport £49,800
£4,800 deposit
48 x £618
GFV £22000

640i GC M-Sport £47,800
£4,800 deposit
48 x £591
GFV £21000


So £26 a month cheaper on payments but £35 a month more on fuel, as I said, price has nothing to do with the decision on these, purely comes down to whether you want a diesel or a straight six petrol.

[Wills2]

gizlaroc said:

Wills2 said:

I like this diesel engine, I've had a string of M3's and a 911 over the last few years so fancy something different.

But the FI 640i feels like the diesel but with a decent rev limit and a nice sound, and is only about 20% behind the diesel in economy, plus fuel prices that gap narrows.

Not saying you will go for the 640i, but definitely try one before you decide.

As refined as the 640d is, the 640i is on another level in that regard.

£45 a week in fuel vs £54 a week, so price just not an issue, so worth trying the 640i.

I've got experience of that engine and it's nice, very good in fact, but if I wanted a petrol engine I'd just keep my M3.

Anyway I like the diesel and fancy a change.

[edo]

gizlaroc said:

Wills2 said:

Indeed, looking at the low deposit the mileage and spec (8.5k worth of extras) it's pretty good, the extras are:

20" wheels
head up display
Harman kardon
Multi functional instruments
Soft close doors
Comfort seats
Adaptive LED headlights
High beam assist
Reversing camera
dark popular wood trim
Panoramic roof
privacy glass
heated front and rear seats
Internet
Speed limit display

That's fair enough.

I would have to go 640i myself though, if you're only doing 15k miles a year and spending £666 a month on the car, what does another £10 a week in fuel matter?

Take a 640i out properly before you decide, it is a stonker.

For balance my 640d goes back after 2.5 years in August.

I have about 26,000 miles at the moment, mix of country, a, b and M-way. Never use eco-pro mode, and dont hang about when safe to do so.

Average since day one is 39mpg.

I tried the 40i and felt that for 90% of the time the d was the better car. Didnt even think the i sounded that much better.

JMHO.

[gizlaroc]

edo said:

For balance my 640d goes back after 2.5 years in August.

I have about 26,000 miles at the moment, mix of country, a, b and M-way. Never use eco-pro mode, and dont hang about when safe to do so.

Average since day one is 39mpg.

I tried the 40i and felt that for 90% of the time the d was the better car. Didnt even think the i sounded that much better.

JMHO.

I have no problem with people preferring the 640d over the 640i, just that many think the diesel will save them money, which simply isn't the case.
I did my calculations above on the 640d averaging 39mpg and the 640i averaging 31mpg by the way.

I just heard it so many times on e90post with people saying 'Would have loved the 335i but went with the 335d to save money....' and it doesn't really save anything.

I know when I bought my 335i touring the same age, spec and mileage 335d worked out at around £90 a month more, and the 335i only cost me about £60 a month more to fuel, so it was actually cheaper.

But, if you prefer the diesel, go for it.

[edo]

gizlaroc said:

edo said:

For balance my 640d goes back after 2.5 years in August.

I have about 26,000 miles at the moment, mix of country, a, b and M-way. Never use eco-pro mode, and dont hang about when safe to do so.

Average since day one is 39mpg.

I tried the 40i and felt that for 90% of the time the d was the better car. Didnt even think the i sounded that much better.

JMHO.

I have no problem with people preferring the 640d over the 640i, just that many think the diesel will save them money, which simply isn't the case.
I did my calculations above on the 640d averaging 39mpg and the 640i averaging 31mpg by the way.

I just heard it so many times on e90post with people saying 'Would have loved the 335i but went with the 335d to save money....' and it doesn't really save anything.

I know when I bought my 335i touring the same age, spec and mileage 335d worked out at around £90 a month more, and the 335i only cost me about £60 a month more to fuel, so it was actually cheaper.

But, if you prefer the diesel, go for it.

Yup fair point. When I got the lease deal 2.5 years ago the d was cheaper to lease than the i.

[Birdster]

Mini Cooper for two years, fully maintained around £5500.

I linked to this last time, as did a few others. I don't know too much about Mini Coopers, but seems a good deal.

http://www.gateway2lease.com/z_mini_hatchback_1.5c...

[Thankyou4calling]

gizlaroc said:

But the FI 640i feels like the diesel but with a decent rev limit and a nice sound, and is only about 20% behind the diesel in economy, plus fuel prices that gap narrows.

Not saying you will go for the 640i, but definitely try one before you decide.

As refined as the 640d is, the 640i is on another level in that regard.

£45 a week in fuel vs £54 a week, so price just not an issue, so worth trying the 640i.

I can't comment on the feel of the engine but I think you are well out on the difference in fuel costs.

Official figs give an overall of 51 for the diesel, 35 for the petrol. I know you can say official figs are wrong but at least they'll both be wrong.

15,000 miles a year in the diesel will cost £1773 @ £1.34 a litre.
15,000 mikes a year in the petrol will cost £2485 @ £1.29 a litre.

That's a lot more than a £9 a week saving at least in % terms and £700 a year would be very welcome, to he at least.

What do you think?

[gizlaroc]

Thankyou4calling said:

I can't comment on the feel of the engine but I think you are well out on the difference in fuel costs.

Official figs give an overall of 51 for the diesel, 35 for the petrol. I know you can say official figs are wrong but at least they'll both be wrong.

15,000 miles a year in the diesel will cost £1773 @ £1.34 a litre.
15,000 mikes a year in the petrol will cost £2485 @ £1.29 a litre.

That's a lot more than a £9 a week saving at least in % terms and £700 a year would be very welcome, to he at least.

What do you think?

It is fairly easy to average 31mpg in the 640i, even the demo car at Coopers was showing this, and I managed 29mpg in my 335i which was a touring and had the old 6 speed 'box.
The guy down the road has gone from a 535d to a 550i and he is seeing 30mpg average from that compared with the 36 he was getting in the 535d. If a 400bhp turboed V8 can see 30 average from someone who got 36 from the diesel than I am sure the 640i will see 31.
Everyone I know, and every owner report, on the 640d averages around 38/39mpg with a few rare cases of 30mpg and 43mpg. But most seem to get a genuine 39ish.

Fuel is 1.30 and 1.39 here, so a bit bigger gap than you, and having said that you would probably put Super unleaded in, so maybe £15 a week more, at most.

My point is though, you spend £660 a month on the car, £50 on insurance, £50 on tyres and another £30 on tax and servicing, that is £800 a month, are you seriously going to let £10-15 a week difference on fuel stop you from buying the petrol car if that is what you prefer? £40-60 difference on a £1000 a month car?
Plus, on a new one the 640i was £26 a month cheaper, so in real terms could be as little as £15 a month difference.

[Thankyou4calling]

gizlaroc said:

It is fairly easy to average 31mpg in the 640i, even the demo car at Coopers was showing this, and I managed 29mpg in my 335i which was a touring and had the old 6 speed 'box.
The guy down the road has gone from a 535d to a 550i and he is seeing 30mpg average from that compared with the 36 he was getting in the 535d. If a 400bhp turboed V8 can see 30 average from someone who got 36 from the diesel than I am sure the 640i will see 31.
Everyone I know, and every owner report, on the 640d averages around 38/39mpg with a few rare cases of 30mpg and 43mpg. But most seem to get a genuine 39ish.

Fuel is 1.30 and 1.39 here, so a bit bigger gap than you, and having said that you would probably put Super unleaded in, so maybe £15 a week more, at most.

My point is though, you spend £660 a month on the car, £50 on insurance, £50 on tyres and another £30 on tax and servicing, that is £800 a month, are you seriously going to let £10-15 a week difference on fuel stop you from buying the petrol car if that is what you prefer? £40-60 difference on a £1000 a month car?
Plus, on a new one the 640i was £26 a month cheaper, so in real terms could be as little as £15 a month difference.

Some serious man maths here. I know in my SLK diesel I get over 50mpg on average while my business partner has the same car but petrol and averages 24. I also enjoy the lazy nature of the engine but I haven't driven either BMW.

[gizlaroc]

Thankyou4calling said:

Some serious man maths here. I know in my SLK diesel I get over 50mpg on average while my business partner has the same car but petrol and averages 24. I also enjoy the lazy nature of the engine but I haven't driven either BMW.

But what would he get in your diesel and vice versa?

[Wills2]

FFS.

[gizlaroc]

Wills2 said:

FFS.

I get you want the diesel, I wish I hadn't mentioned it.

Agree it is the wrong thread to have discussed it in.

[lamboman100]

Not sure if it has been posted before, but Car Quids is -- allegedly --- offering a 4-year Fiesta lease for ~£55 a month all-in:


http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-26...

http://carquids.com/blog/

[juggsy]

I'm in the market for a large family car the missus will mainly drive, and I must admit I'm really struggling to sift through all the different offers and websites offering deals, discounts, options etc. I'm also trying to figure out whether I should just buy outright with a loan+deposit rather than lease. Know there's a lot of subjectivity involved but it really is a minefield.

Currently looking for an SUV-esque diesel which will cover approx 15k miles pa, ideally not too much more than £300 per month, around 8k deposit (all can be flexed if deal is worth it). Part of the issue is most sites offer deals for around 8-10k miles pa, so its tricky to see the offers for higher mileage without requesting for quotes.

There seems to be plenty of options around, almost too many, just trying to figure out the best deal (i.e. Up-front deposit vs monthly cost etc). I'm sure its just a case of sitting down and plugging the numbers, but I'd appreciate any tips, suggestions and advice on sifting through the 'noise', as well as any offers anyone has seen loosely fitting the above requirements.