Insigna CDTI 160 v Mondeo TDCI v Passat Bluemotion
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I would avoid German because the residuals are higher, but the reliability is about the same. Mondeo would work fine, I had a 140 which felt OK'ish, not particularly quick but had a reasonable amount of pull.
Another option would be French, like a Laguna. It'll be cheaper for the same sort of age (2010-2012'ish) but will probably go wrong a bit more. They dont tend to go that badly wrong, it's silly stuff. 58 plate 2.0 150s are kicking around the £2k mark. 60 plates somewhere around £4k
Another option would be French, like a Laguna. It'll be cheaper for the same sort of age (2010-2012'ish) but will probably go wrong a bit more. They dont tend to go that badly wrong, it's silly stuff. 58 plate 2.0 150s are kicking around the £2k mark. 60 plates somewhere around £4k
Mondeo for me. Just parted company with my mk4 with over 300k on the clock, nothing fancy just a 2l tdci 140 zetec. Mapped to 200 bhp/325lbs ft torque and driven hard every single day of my ownership
The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
Glasgowrob said:
Mondeo for me. Just parted company with my mk4 with over 300k on the clock, nothing fancy just a 2l tdci 140 zetec. Mapped to 200 bhp/325lbs ft torque and driven hard every single day of my ownership
The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
Just out of interest, was yours a pre or post facelift model. I am led to believe the bugs which blighted early MK4s had been ironed out by the facelift of 2010. More economical too I believe, with lower VED.The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
greenarrow said:
The Avensis in my budget would be the 2.2 diesel late 2000s....I think it looks very bland indeed and isn't trouble free. Know two people who had D4D Avensis who had huge bills. One had the gearbox go at 80,000 miles...£800 bill. Other one the turbo went think, making it uneconomic to repair....
The three cars I have listed are the quintessential popular larger family saloons and very popular, so plenty to choose from. Personally I like the Mazda 6 having owned one for nearly 3 years, but the "rising diesel level" on the 2.2 puts me off it a bit.
800£ for a gearbox is ridiculouslying cheap. When my VAG group octavia's went at 105k it was £4000 (including clutch and flywheel) The three cars I have listed are the quintessential popular larger family saloons and very popular, so plenty to choose from. Personally I like the Mazda 6 having owned one for nearly 3 years, but the "rising diesel level" on the 2.2 puts me off it a bit.
Edited by mclwanB on Sunday 31st July 22:36
greenarrow said:
Glasgowrob said:
Mondeo for me. Just parted company with my mk4 with over 300k on the clock, nothing fancy just a 2l tdci 140 zetec. Mapped to 200 bhp/325lbs ft torque and driven hard every single day of my ownership
The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
Just out of interest, was yours a pre or post facelift model. I am led to believe the bugs which blighted early MK4s had been ironed out by the facelift of 2010. More economical too I believe, with lower VED.The bloody thing could not be broken. Only thing I did was service it every 10k and replace consumables
Still going strong even now with her new owner on the original clutch flywheel turbo injectors etc.
Comfy big barge and probably the best handling of your 3 options the mk4 Mondy is a decent chassis and to be honest I prefer the mk4 to my current mk5
Top tips ignore mileage and save a few quid and service regularly with a good quality oil. The Peugeot diesels are notorious for disliking cheap oil and drive it hard. Biggest problem with all modem diesels is people poodle round town and plod up and down the motorway in 6th let them stretch their legs and open up now and then. Not a great fan of fords autos mind you and personally I'd suggest a manual. But there's worse gearboxes out there. Just don't listen to the idiots that tell you the autoboxes don't need services. Fluid change every 50k.
Other considerations
Late model saabs which share lots with the insignia and have a nose at the avensis as well dull but again bloody bulletproof
I have heard that these Peugeot diesels are not good with the power shift especially wrt mpg though.
greenarrow said:
Just out of interest, was yours a pre or post facelift model. I am led to believe the bugs which blighted early MK4s had been ironed out by the facelift of 2010. More economical too I believe, with lower VED.
Late 2010 facelift
Here she is enjoying a well earned retirement
And the current mk5 which I'm still not fully loving yet
mclwanB said:
What mpg did you get? I can't get more than 42mpg out of my 2011 Face lift mk4 mondeo tdci 163. Other than that it has been faultless for the last 23k miles/:year (now on 81k). Fingers crossed for saying that.Tbh it drives beautifully given its car type.I service q10k too.
I have heard that these Peugeot diesels are not good with the power shift especially wrt mpg though.
Could. Get 55 plus on a well behaved runI have heard that these Peugeot diesels are not good with the power shift especially wrt mpg though.
Averages mid 40s over 200k as a taxi but they included lots of idling town work and being driven in a spirited fashion
Although mine was mapped it may also haven been missing some emissions control equipment they I think may have fallen off
mclwanB said:
greenarrow said:
The Avensis in my budget would be the 2.2 diesel late 2000s....I think it looks very bland indeed and isn't trouble free. Know two people who had D4D Avensis who had huge bills. One had the gearbox go at 80,000 miles...£800 bill. Other one the turbo went think, making it uneconomic to repair....
The three cars I have listed are the quintessential popular larger family saloons and very popular, so plenty to choose from. Personally I like the Mazda 6 having owned one for nearly 3 years, but the "rising diesel level" on the 2.2 puts me off it a bit.
800£ for a gearbox is ridiculouslying cheap. When my VAG group octavia's went at 105k it was £4000 (including clutch and flywheel) The three cars I have listed are the quintessential popular larger family saloons and very popular, so plenty to choose from. Personally I like the Mazda 6 having owned one for nearly 3 years, but the "rising diesel level" on the 2.2 puts me off it a bit.
Edited by mclwanB on Sunday 31st July 22:36
So, the Mk4 Mondeo gets a lot of love. Good to hear. Potentially less troublesome than an Insignia or a Passat too...although I think the B7 Passat has a good rep.
Next q, is the 163 worth it over the normal 140? Its just there are so few 163s about and they fetch a premium.
Seen a 140 TDI Edge advertised today on Autotrader, its a 13 Reg car, 75K motorways miles for £6495...a good price, but I think the edge lacks a lot of toys and those wheels look too small for the arches!
Going to have a look at Passats, Insignias and Mondeos, maybe a few other choices and take it from there...
greenarrow said:
My friend got a second hand reconditioned unit, he couldn't afford a new box!
So, the Mk4 Mondeo gets a lot of love. Good to hear. Potentially less troublesome than an Insignia or a Passat too...although I think the B7 Passat has a good rep.
Next q, is the 163 worth it over the normal 140? Its just there are so few 163s about and they fetch a premium.
Seen a 140 TDI Edge advertised today on Autotrader, its a 13 Reg car, 75K motorways miles for £6495...a good price, but I think the edge lacks a lot of toys and those wheels look too small for the arches!
Going to have a look at Passats, Insignias and Mondeos, maybe a few other choices and take it from there...
I'd look for the best spec/mileage balance to be honest:So, the Mk4 Mondeo gets a lot of love. Good to hear. Potentially less troublesome than an Insignia or a Passat too...although I think the B7 Passat has a good rep.
Next q, is the 163 worth it over the normal 140? Its just there are so few 163s about and they fetch a premium.
Seen a 140 TDI Edge advertised today on Autotrader, its a 13 Reg car, 75K motorways miles for £6495...a good price, but I think the edge lacks a lot of toys and those wheels look too small for the arches!
Going to have a look at Passats, Insignias and Mondeos, maybe a few other choices and take it from there...
62 Zetec Business 63k
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09 Titanium X 55k
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Auto 58 Titanium X 48k
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I'm biased, but definitely the Mondeo. I don't mind the Insignia, but it just isn't as good as the Mondeo in my opinion, especially in terms of comfort and ergonomics. Whenever I'd get one as a hire car it would take me ages to get comfortable, where this was never an issue in Mondeos.
The Passat is too expensive for what it is, overrated and poorly equipped and generally about as exciting as a house brick.
Look for at least a Titanium spec Mondeo as you get a few niceties over the Zetec such as the nice big Convers+ display in the instrument console. There's so many around that you can be a bit picky with the spec.
The Passat is too expensive for what it is, overrated and poorly equipped and generally about as exciting as a house brick.
Look for at least a Titanium spec Mondeo as you get a few niceties over the Zetec such as the nice big Convers+ display in the instrument console. There's so many around that you can be a bit picky with the spec.
ZX10R NIN said:
I'd look for the best spec/mileage balance to be honest:
62 Zetec Business 63k
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09 Titanium X 55k
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59 Titanium X 63k
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Auto 58 Titanium X 48k
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I wish I could find cars at this price with this mileage down south! I assume you live near Manchester? Working away from home I have to look fairly locally at the weekend and in my area, £7.5K buys you a 2011/2012 car with 70K miles on it!! 62 Zetec Business 63k
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09 Titanium X 55k
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59 Titanium X 63k
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Auto 58 Titanium X 48k
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Howard- said:
The Passat is too expensive for what it is, overrated and poorly equipped and generally about as exciting as a house brick.
Poorly equipped? I have Traction Control, Cruise Control, automatic lights, automatic wipers, automatic dimming rear view mirror, heated wing mirrors, independant climate control, sat nav, front and rear parking sensors, front fogs, electric seats....What other kit do you need?
She also has 170 bhp and 0-60 in less than 8 seconds... Not too bad and certainly enough to get an overtake done, yet returns 50mpg...
Jasandjules said:
Howard- said:
The Passat is too expensive for what it is, overrated and poorly equipped and generally about as exciting as a house brick.
Poorly equipped? I have Traction Control, Cruise Control, automatic lights, automatic wipers, automatic dimming rear view mirror, heated wing mirrors, independant climate control, sat nav, front and rear parking sensors, front fogs, electric seats....What other kit do you need?
She also has 170 bhp and 0-60 in less than 8 seconds... Not too bad and certainly enough to get an overtake done, yet returns 50mpg...
The Insignia on the other hand is a bit cheaper....
don't fall for the ford marketing,
the 140 and 163 are exactly the same engine, just a slightly difrerent map.
quick visit to superchips website for a Bluefin or better yet go see your local reputable mapper and they will both nudge 200 horses.
funnily enough ford are doing exactly the same with the mk5 and 150 and 180 bhp models
the 140 and 163 are exactly the same engine, just a slightly difrerent map.
quick visit to superchips website for a Bluefin or better yet go see your local reputable mapper and they will both nudge 200 horses.
funnily enough ford are doing exactly the same with the mk5 and 150 and 180 bhp models
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