Insigna CDTI 160 v Mondeo TDCI v Passat Bluemotion
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greenarrow said:
I wish I could find cars at this price with this mileage down south! I assume you live near Manchester? Working away from home I have to look fairly locally at the weekend and in my area, £7.5K buys you a 2011/2012 car with 70K miles on it!!
I live down south here are a few closer to home Auto 2009 48k 140bhp 58 Plate Titanium X
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Auto 2010 71k 165bhp 60 Plate Titanium X
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
2009 79k 175bhp 59 Plate Titanium X
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Ive had an 170bhp 08 passat with the pd engine for over 120k, now sitting at 180k and it hasnt had a service for 50k, just use it to drive the dogs walkies. Lived its life in central london and besides running it low on oil about 10 times its still going strong. Latest addition to the household is a skoda superb estate 170 bhp, hands down best car i ever owned
Jasandjules said:
Poorly equipped? I have Traction Control, Cruise Control, automatic lights, automatic wipers, automatic dimming rear view mirror, heated wing mirrors, independant climate control, sat nav, front and rear parking sensors, front fogs, electric seats....
What other kit do you need?
Yours might have, but for every top of the range Passat listed on Autotrader, there are hundreds of S/SE spec ones without much of that stuff (ignoring your superfluous mentions of traction control and cruise control and heated wing mirrors and auto dimming rear view mirror since they must be standard on pretty much any D-segment car nowadays, right?!) especially climate control (an essential IMHO) and touchscreen infotainment/nav, and with crap looking flat cloth seats. What other kit do you need?
I have had all 3 (well nearly) I had a passat 140 se company car which to be honest I hated, I couldnt get on with VW's inability to make a car ride and handle decently, I managed to swap it for a much older mondeo. Then I had a 163bhp zetec mondeo that I put 40k miles on with no issues at all. I also had a SRI insignia for a few weeks whilst the older mondeo was being repaired. Went well enough but the bloody annoying indicators, the very cheap feeling interior and the way the bootlid stored water to piss don the back of your neck everytime you opened the boot means I would never recommend one.
Our of the 3 I would definitely have another mondeo, but probably not the 163 version, it was a lot thirstier than the older less powerful version for not a massive amount more speed.
Our of the 3 I would definitely have another mondeo, but probably not the 163 version, it was a lot thirstier than the older less powerful version for not a massive amount more speed.
I'd consider a 2007 onwards Volvo S80 D5 for that work. 40mpg+ from the D5 engine, miles nicer place to sit than any of those three, very comfortable with no pointless pretence and sportiness, better seats, better stereo, much nicer engine. 185BHP single turbo up to 2009, 205bhp twin turbo from 2010 and up to 215bhp from 2012 onwards. Far nicer power delivery than a 4 cylinder diesel of the same power output.
Same AW 6 speed autobox as the Vauxhall, service it and it'll last well. Probably less likely to kick you in the b
ks than a Ford Powershift box.
No pics of this one up but to give you an idea of what you could get
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
If you're happy with 160 bhp or so like the others have then the 2.4D and D3/D4 models are a possibility too.
Downsides? No "image" but then do your three suggestions have any positive associations??
Current shape S60 is in budget too
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
D3/D4 are Volvo 5 pot engines, avoid the 1.6 D2 as it's a st 4 pot Ford/PSA unit. Same goes for the 2.0D in the S80, yeuch.
Same AW 6 speed autobox as the Vauxhall, service it and it'll last well. Probably less likely to kick you in the b
ks than a Ford Powershift box.No pics of this one up but to give you an idea of what you could get
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
If you're happy with 160 bhp or so like the others have then the 2.4D and D3/D4 models are a possibility too.
Downsides? No "image" but then do your three suggestions have any positive associations??
Current shape S60 is in budget too
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
D3/D4 are Volvo 5 pot engines, avoid the 1.6 D2 as it's a s
t 4 pot Ford/PSA unit. Same goes for the 2.0D in the S80, yeuch.Howard- said:
Yours might have, but for every top of the range Passat listed on Autotrader, there are hundreds of S/SE spec ones without much of that stuff (ignoring your superfluous mentions of traction control and cruise control and heated wing mirrors and auto dimming rear view mirror since they must be standard on pretty much any D-segment car nowadays, right?!) especially climate control (an essential IMHO) and touchscreen infotainment/nav, and with crap looking flat cloth seats.
I doubt cruise is standard. Nor is independant climate control (not just climate control). Though in any event what you said was they are poorly equipped. I don't believe even TC, heated rear mirrors etc is "poorly equipped". Nor does mine have "flat cloth" seats either, but she is the 170bhp so also lowered a fraction with sports seats and not bad at all handling for an estate.
Jasandjules said:
I doubt cruise is standard. Nor is independant climate control (not just climate control).
Which is kinda my point. Cruise control and dual zone climate control are standard on all mk4 Mondeos bar the Edge - the most basic trim level. Jasandjules said:
I don't believe even TC, heated rear mirrors etc is "poorly equipped".
Considering stability control is pretty much mandatory in all new cars and I don't ever recall driving a car made in the last 15 years that didn't have heated mirrors, I'd not consider any car well-equipped if these features were mentioned in isolation. They're just normal features you'd expect any car to have. I suppose you're going to raise the fact it's got ABS, alloy wheels, and electric rear windows now?
Howard- said:
I suppose you're going to raise the fact it's got ABS, alloy wheels, and electric rear windows now?
I was going to save those for later 
And one touch all round windows at that.......Mind, one other thing to consider is the interior of the Passat looks (IMHO) quite reasonable, whereas the Ford looks (again, just my view, having sold a Mondeo to buy a Passat) cheaper........
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
ignore the mileage as these things laugh at big numbers. only likely issue you will find is rear arm bushes like to wear but they are available separate from the arms and last set I did was around £30/side. other than that you can run them all day every day without issue.
personally i'd keep hunting till I found something at least titanium spec with 1/2 leather full leather is rare as rocking horse poop on the mk4, facelifted in 2010 which brought a number of small changes DRLs are the main giveaway but the facelift cars certainly do driver better imo
ignore the mileage as these things laugh at big numbers. only likely issue you will find is rear arm bushes like to wear but they are available separate from the arms and last set I did was around £30/side. other than that you can run them all day every day without issue.
personally i'd keep hunting till I found something at least titanium spec with 1/2 leather full leather is rare as rocking horse poop on the mk4, facelifted in 2010 which brought a number of small changes DRLs are the main giveaway but the facelift cars certainly do driver better imo
Jasandjules said:
Howard- said:
The Passat is too expensive for what it is, overrated and poorly equipped and generally about as exciting as a house brick.
Poorly equipped? I have Traction Control, Cruise Control, automatic lights, automatic wipers, automatic dimming rear view mirror, heated wing mirrors, independant climate control, sat nav, front and rear parking sensors, front fogs, electric seats....What other kit do you need?
She also has 170 bhp and 0-60 in less than 8 seconds... Not too bad and certainly enough to get an overtake done, yet returns 50mpg...
Guys, bit concerned the 163 model is so much thistier than the 140? What would a 163 do on, say a 70-75 2 hour motorway cruise (which is what my work journey is made up of now)..
Mulling over going to visit a 163 Titanium X up for sale near me. Owner has just reduced price a second time to £5995 and its a facelift 60 plate car with 89K on clock.... seems a lot of high spec car for the money....
Mulling over going to visit a 163 Titanium X up for sale near me. Owner has just reduced price a second time to £5995 and its a facelift 60 plate car with 89K on clock.... seems a lot of high spec car for the money....
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