Do I Have to Buy a "Proper" 4x4?
Discussion
Willy will be along in the morning.
He will suggest either a Tractor, or a Yaris.
I think weight is important, especially as the contents of a horse trailer may move around a little. I cannot see a 3 series cutting it.
I'd be surprised if a proper SUVis not the OP's wife's answer. I'm not sure though how 'proper' a Discovery Sport really is. Certainly does not feel as substantial as a Disco. I'd have thought a Torag would be a serious consideration, although have seen stuff that would make me research their reliability carefully (and I say this as a Range Rover owner...)
He will suggest either a Tractor, or a Yaris.
I think weight is important, especially as the contents of a horse trailer may move around a little. I cannot see a 3 series cutting it.
I'd be surprised if a proper SUVis not the OP's wife's answer. I'm not sure though how 'proper' a Discovery Sport really is. Certainly does not feel as substantial as a Disco. I'd have thought a Torag would be a serious consideration, although have seen stuff that would make me research their reliability carefully (and I say this as a Range Rover owner...)
caelite said:
Benengo said:
caelite said:
D-max AT35 or bust:
mrs benengo would go nuts for this!
.ecsrobin said:
caelite said:
Benengo said:
caelite said:
D-max AT35 or bust:
mrs benengo would go nuts for this!.I do like it though!
I'd agree with the sentiment of if you're going to buy an SUV or 4x4 (and the compromises on the road that they can have) then make sure it's a proper one that's totally capable off road. However, I'm not sure many would put the Disco Sport down as a 'proper' 4x4! I've had a few as loan cars when my Discovery 4 has been serviced / fixed and on every occasion I've been glad to hand them back! They're far from bad, but they're 10k overpriced for what they are -
poorly built, plasticky things that feel like you're sat in a slightly raised up Ford Focus.
A Touareg, as mentioned, is a step up and (in my opinion) the Disco 4 a step up again.
poorly built, plasticky things that feel like you're sat in a slightly raised up Ford Focus.
A Touareg, as mentioned, is a step up and (in my opinion) the Disco 4 a step up again.
ReaperCushions said:
Coming to a kickboxing gym / flat roofed pub / tattoo parlor / supplement shop near you soon.
I do like it though!
You discovered my secret plan to drive the residuals down on them so my gym/sI do like it though!
tty pub/tattoo parlor visiting self can afford one one day! My Shogun just ain't enough, I'd love to aggressively drive around something like this, one day!Land Rovers are for drug dealers, honest working men buy these
. Get yourself a Disco 4. Fantastic cars that will do everything you need of it and still be a lovely place to sit when not towing.
The new Discovery 5 has just been launched which is supposed to be step up technologically but it looks terrible (IMO).
We tow horses with our Disco 4 and its perfect.
The new Discovery 5 has just been launched which is supposed to be step up technologically but it looks terrible (IMO).
We tow horses with our Disco 4 and its perfect.
RDMcG said:
I tow substantial weights (5500kg) over very long distances (a single tow is 2500 miles). I have used a couple of Touareg and a Cayenne S V8 to do this with no problem.
Can you tow 5.5 tonnes legally? I'd be surprised if either of them was rated above 3500kg and/or a total train weight exceeding 6000kg.Impressive even so though.
V8RX7 said:
Work out what proportion of the time it'll be a car or towing and then buy the most suitable.
Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
If OP actually owns horses then most of the horsey people I know have a reasonable need to move them either regularly or at short notice (emergency trip to vet hospital because it broke its leg in its stable etc).Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
If that is typical then the what-car argument becomes an extension of one of 300's 2 seater sports car for normal people. Most people own a bit more capbility than they usually need, because sometimes you need a bit more.
4x4 is great when you need it, but equally lack of 4x4 and ground clearance is a total PITA if you needed it and don't have it.
OP would probably best serve his household by having a proper dependable 4x4 for function and a lower cost less reliably sporty thing for fun IF the latter is actually a consideration.
For generally stooging about the countryside our proper 4x4 is better than our sporty cars the vast majority of the time. It's almost always the Ranger keys we reach for to run an errand. I admit it's nice to have something more PH for a fun drive.
V8RX7 said:
Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
Not always...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUAeBYuZuQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mfe7artANE
and VBH doing what she does best...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CziiTZNb9Ek
tonys said:
You're really going to be guided by the towing ability (weight) as your primary concern. A decent double horse box with 2 horses will probably be around 2000kg, which is likely to be outside the plated limits for most 'cars'. Personally, I'd want plenty of spare 'capacity' for performance and safety.
http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/towing_weight...
If towing ability really is the primary concern, get one of these:http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/towing_weight...
Mrs Mac and daughters have four of the damn beasts so we spend a lot of time towing and carting feed/kit about. In the 25 years she's been in to this folly hobby we've always used full size 4x4's - Disco, Landcruiser, etc. - it's worked for us and I know that she wouldn't want to change that approach.
Even in situations when you have two large horses moving around under heavy braking there's been no drama.
One other advantage of the the full-size not mentioned is the fitment of the low-box - it's been damn useful when reversing in tight spaces with a full load, puts a lot less stress on the drivetrain too.
If she's going to be towing with it have you asked her what it is she wants?
Even in situations when you have two large horses moving around under heavy braking there's been no drama.
One other advantage of the the full-size not mentioned is the fitment of the low-box - it's been damn useful when reversing in tight spaces with a full load, puts a lot less stress on the drivetrain too.
If she's going to be towing with it have you asked her what it is she wants?
alfabe said:
The new Discovery 5 has just been launched which is supposed to be step up technologically but it looks terrible (IMO).
We tow horses with our Disco 4 and its perfect.
It's utterly horrid, just searched for it and they've completely ruined that.We tow horses with our Disco 4 and its perfect.
Also apologies for deleting a bit of your name, posting on phone
v8250 said:
V8RX7 said:
Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
Not always...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUAeBYuZuQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mfe7artANE
and VBH doing what she does best...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CziiTZNb9Ek
A proper 4x4 is heavy and has a low range box
jamieduff1981 said:
V8RX7 said:
Work out what proportion of the time it'll be a car or towing and then buy the most suitable.
Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
If OP actually owns horses then most of the horsey people I know have a reasonable need to move them either regularly or at short notice (emergency trip to vet hospital because it broke its leg in its stable etc).Proper 4x4 are great when you need them but the rest of the time they are a slow, inefficient, noisy car.
If that is typical then the what-car argument becomes an extension of one of 300's 2 seater sports car for normal people. Most people own a bit more capbility than they usually need, because sometimes you need a bit more.
4x4 is great when you need it, but equally lack of 4x4 and ground clearance is a total PITA if you needed it and don't have it.
OP would probably best serve his household by having a proper dependable 4x4 for function and a lower cost less reliably sporty thing for fun IF the latter is actually a consideration.
For generally stooging about the countryside our proper 4x4 is better than our sporty cars the vast majority of the time. It's almost always the Ranger keys we reach for to run an errand. I admit it's nice to have something more PH for a fun drive.
Ground clearance in the UK is fine for the usual horsey events - I can only recall using 4WD once in many years.
As mentioned I run a Forester XT for getting around the lanes in greasy conditions and it's great for that - I'm not suggesting it's a great tow vehicle - I have towed just under 2T with it and whilst it does it - it doesn't do it as comfortably as my van nor Dodge Ram.
I say get one of these if you want something built to last & comfort then try one of these(you can have them converted to RHD for not to much if LHD is a problem) yes it's a bit leftfield but worth a look.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
The obvious answer is to get rid of the horses.
Most of the clients at work don't have 4x4/suv things, I think 3 do and one of those, aside from being a fat, obnoxious bh doesn't have a tow hitch on her car.
Might be worth looking into what a lorry would cost to run along side a proper car instead of a 4x4 and decent stock trailer.
Dad had a herd of cows and never had a 4x4 of any description and having worked on farms at home and abroad for over 25 years and having recently driven a current model Cayenne, I'd rather repeated blows to the testicles than any SUV. In fact, were I offered a company vehicle, if it was a 4x4, I wouldn't take it.
Most of the clients at work don't have 4x4/suv things, I think 3 do and one of those, aside from being a fat, obnoxious b
h doesn't have a tow hitch on her car. Might be worth looking into what a lorry would cost to run along side a proper car instead of a 4x4 and decent stock trailer.
Dad had a herd of cows and never had a 4x4 of any description and having worked on farms at home and abroad for over 25 years and having recently driven a current model Cayenne, I'd rather repeated blows to the testicles than any SUV. In fact, were I offered a company vehicle, if it was a 4x4, I wouldn't take it.
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