Would you still buy a Volkswagen?...

[LasseV]

No. Boring and unreliable cars. I want to pick only one of those.

[kambites]

alock said:

Having a car that naturally does well in the test at the expense of real world capability would be a backwards step.

If the VAG diesel engines were actually any good in the real-world, I'd agree but but that isn't what they did. They produced an engine which is absolutely awful (in terms of NOx emissions) under all conditions except the very specialist test situation.

The tests may be far from perfect and I agree that many manufacturers have been pushing for test performance at the expense of real-world concerns, but the VW issue is rather different.

[steve-5snwi]

alabbasi said:

Yes, the laws have become too stringent and it's beginning to hamper the advancement of diesel engines.

At least that's one positive, ultimately it will mean less diesels

It wouldn't stop me buying from the vag group, however nothing appeals other than seats.

[Bunfighter]

There just cars. Capable, nothing wrong with them. Millions of people buy them for good reason but for me they lack quirkiness or soul.

Those to me are more key than cosseting, well damped, nice dash.

I want something else. Noise, squeek, unsual maybe even gawky looks.

[white_goodman]

kambites said:

If the VAG diesel engines were actually any good in the real-world, I'd agree but but that isn't what they did. They produced an engine which is absolutely awful (in terms of NOx emissions) under all conditions except the very specialist test situation.

The tests may be far from perfect and I agree that many manufacturers have been pushing for test performance at the expense of real-world concerns, but the VW issue is rather different.

I agree. The tests probably aren't as realistic as they could be but the issue isn't CO2 levels, it's the unacceptably high levels of very poisonous NOX. Of course, greater efficiency tends to mean higher temperatures and more NOX but deliberately choking an engine under test conditions to pass the NOX test when the reality is many times over the legal NOX limit is surely criminally negligent (if negligence is the right word). So, Kambites would you still buy a VAG group car in light of this or would it put you off?

Have the traditionally strong residual values of VWs, especially diesels been that affected? I can't say that I have noticed and the lease deals still seem pretty competitive but then I'm not in the market for this type of car, so I haven't been paying much attention to values.

[bad company]

Wouldn't put me off. I tested a new S4 recently, nice drive but very disappointing interior imo so didn't order one.

[kambites]

white_goodman said:

So, Kambites would you still buy a VAG group car in light of this or would it put you off?

I never buy new anyway which makes it a bit of a moot point but were I in a position where it made sense to do so it would be a mark against them... but plenty of other companies have similar marks against them. Unfortunately I view it more as an indication of the state that industry has got to than a particular indictment of VAG.

[DoubleD]

white_goodman said:

So, should we just forgive and forget like we did 70 years ago and continue to buy VAG products

Edited by white_goodman on Friday 17th February 14:19

Ha ha dont mention the war

[crofty1984]

I couldn't give a dog's wet fart about emissions.

[swisstoni]

Still?

[Bunfighter]

What gutted me was how uninspirring the RS6 estate is to drive/experience (owners views on PH). That is one Audi I'd run for, sell the wife, sell myself for. Well would have

[Leggy]

Nope, had Audi's for 18 years not again.

[white_goodman]

DoubleD said:

Ha ha dont mention the war

I mentioned it once but I thought I had got away with it!

[MrBarry123]

Yes.

[TJC46]

crofty1984 said:

I couldn't give a dog's wet fart about emissions.

THIS..........

Plus i own a TVR Chimaera.....4.0 ltr V8.

If you stand at the back of it on tickover, you can actually smell unburnt petrol from the exhausts.........

Global warming my ase...................

Its all to do with solar flares on the surface of the sun, or so i keep telling myself when the TVR pops and bangs and spits flames out the back on when i lift off the loud pedal.................

Edited by TJC46 on Friday 17th February 20:00

[bad company]

crofty1984 said:

I couldn't give a dog's wet fart about emissions.

It's not so much the emissions but the dishonesty/ fabrication that was the problem.

[kambites]

TJC46 said:

THIS..........

Plus i own a TVR Chimaera.....4.0 ltr V8.

If you stand at the back of it on tickover, you can actually smell unburnt petrol from the exhausts.........

Global warming my ase...................

Its all to do with solar flares on the surface of the sun, or so i keep telling myself when the TVR pops and bangs and spits flames out the back on when i lift off the loud pedal.................

What's any of that got to do wth Nitrous Oxide emissions? I'd imagine your TVR has exceptionally low NOx emissions.

[caelite]

I mean, I currently own a euro 3 diesel with a side exit straight through exhaust that covers cyclists in st when I pass them (), a VAG would probably be an upgrade .

If anyone has an awful, polluting, euro 6 Amarok they want to give me to replace my L200, feel free to drop me a message.

[mp3manager]

Nope, if you buy German you're funding Nazism and Volkswagen do have history in that department.

[anonymous-user]

No.

Personally, I think it's shameful what they've done and the arrogance of the people involved. This, oh, we'll now focus on electric cars instead of diesel -fk off...