Peugeot/Citroen 1.4/1.6 diesel engines

[CaptainMorgan]

Just a quick one, I'm looking for a new van for the brother in law, he wants something small, cheap and reliable but something that looks reasonably modern. I'm looking at Bipper/Nemos and Peugeot Partners at the moment BUT I'm sure I recall reading about a particular engine that shat itself fairly regularly, does anyone know which I'm thinking of?

Cheers

[VGTICE]

1.6 hdi and the infamous injector seat issue which lead to leak and messed up turbos, but that applied mostly to first gen of this engine,

[stevensdrs]

PSA 1.6HDI engine. Best avoided.

[t400ble]

Had no issues with either

The bipper in later years move to the Fiat 1.4l3 chain driven engine

[fastbikes76]

Ive a 2013 1.6 Dispatch and its ok on B roads but very under whelming on DC's and avoid motorways like the plague if you like to make any progress. It revs its knackers off in 5th gear, coming from the 6 speed 2.0hdi probably doesn't help. Next one will be another 2.0L for sure.

[405dogvan]

TBH everyone wants small, cheap and reliable but they're not really compatible - esp if 'cheap' means a 10+ year-old van ;0

The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water

Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)

So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0

Edited by 405dogvan on Wednesday 22 February 21:22

[littlebasher]

405dogvan said:

The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water

I thought these were belt driven.....dephaser on a derv?

[Bunfighter]

stevensdrs said:

PSA 1.6HDI engine. Best avoided.

Why?

[gazza285]

1.6 HDi sufferers from DPF and soot problems if they only do town driving, otherwise they are pretty reliable. The daft hollow injector studs have a habit of breaking, leading to damaged injector seats, but these can be recut.

[littlebasher]

Bunfighter said:

Why?

Well documented, but the upshot is that the clamps holding the injectors down work loose (especially injector 3). Combustion gasses leak out the seal, making their way into the valve gear where they mix with the oil and create clumps of carbon that ultimately block the turbo feed thus killing the turbo.

When the get to this stage, people tend to change the turbo without addressing the cause and a few days later another turbo is goosed.

Funny how a lot of cars with this engine tend to end up with dodgy facebook trader 'wannabes' advertised with a new turbo!.....run!

Edited by littlebasher on Wednesday 22 February 21:56

[CaptainMorgan]

405dogvan said:

TBH everyone wants small, cheap and reliable but they're not really compatible - esp if 'cheap' means a 10+ year-old van ;0

The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water

Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)

So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0

Edited by 405dogvan on Wednesday 22 February 21:22

He's talking £2500-£3000.

Cheers for the replies everyone!

[VGTICE]

CaptainMorgan said:

He's talking £2500-£3000.

Cheers for the replies everyone!

Check if the turbo was replaced. And how many times. If it had more than one replacement turbo walk away.

[Bunfighter]

littlebasher said:

Well documented, but the upshot is that the clamps holding the injectors down work loose (especially injector 3). Combustion gasses leak out the seal, making their way into the valve gear where they mix with the oil and create clumps of carbon that ultimately block the turbo feed thus killing the turbo.

When the get to this stage, people tend to change the turbo without addressing the cause and a few days later another turbo is goosed.

Funny how a lot of cars with this engine tend to end up with dodgy facebook trader 'wannabes' advertised with a new turbo!.....run!

Edited by littlebasher on Wednesday 22 February 21:56

Fitted to mullions of cars across many many models and marques. Post 2010 DVC6 engine had redesigned injector/layout etc.

If it's serviced it's good for 200,000miles. PSA fell down originally by specifying 20,000mile service or 2yrs intervals. They revised that to what it should be post 2010.

It doesn't lie about its Nox figures either.

Edit- mine is a 111bhp 1.6hdi. It's tunable to 147bhp. It's a very linear engine, you treat it almost like a petrol engine to get the best out of it.

Edited by Bunfighter on Wednesday 22 February 22:05

[Rickyy]

The 1.4 HDI is a horrible engine. Hired a Bipper for a few days when my Caddy was having work done, seemed to have a massive flat spot at low revs, if you try rolling onto a roundabout in second, it just leaves you barely moving, was having to use first gear a lot.

I have a Peugeot Partner for work with the 1.6 HDI, which is much better, but bit of a slug. I wouldn't own one with my own money.

An older VW Caddy SDI is where my money would go, if reliability is the key concern. Not quick, but being an NA, its very responsive at low revs and a much nicer place to be than anything French.

[angels95]

Caddy SDI is probably a sensible bet, although my money would go on a C15D. Or failing that an older Berlingo/Partner (pre-HDI) with the 1.9D.

[Rickyy]

angels95 said:

Caddy SDI is probably a sensible bet, although my money would go on a C15D. Or failing that an older Berlingo/Partner (pre-HDI) with the 1.9D.

I love the C15, but I think I don't think it suits the OP's criteria of being modern.

[CaptainMorgan]

Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.

[powerstroke]

CaptainMorgan said:

Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.

good luck with that one too they can be a bit naughty too most have suffered from holding about 3 litrs of oil and 20 k service intervals , EGR and cam chain issues etc

[gazza285]

powerstroke said:

CaptainMorgan said:

Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.

good luck with that one too they can be a bit naughty too most have suffered from holding about 3 litrs of oil and 20 k service intervals , EGR and cam chain issues etc

Avoiding engine trouble by buying a 1.3 CDTI? No.

[Rickyy]

gazza285 said:

powerstroke said:

CaptainMorgan said:

Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.

good luck with that one too they can be a bit naughty too most have suffered from holding about 3 litrs of oil and 20 k service intervals , EGR and cam chain issues etc

Avoiding engine trouble by buying a 1.3 CDTI? No.

Cramped interiors, not particularly good to drive and not very modern!