Wedge rear lower suspension bolt

Wedge rear lower suspension bolt

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mrzigazaga

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18,552 posts

165 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Hi Peeps


Popped out earlier and just as I turned off the motorway I felt a clunk and the back end became a large bowl of grey jelly...Not good...

On inspection the outer lower suspension bolt had snapped...Mind you its been in there 30 years..

The irony is I have two new bolts in the boot...Just no jack...Drift...Big hammer..Blowtorch or bottle of whiskey....

It was a bit precarious getting off the detachable bed truck, the wheel buckled twice and had to be jacked up and popped back in to be able to move it, I just hope it hasn't bent the inner bolt or fractured the A frame fixing...

Now I would say to you if you haven't done already then please...Change yours...







Cheers


Ziga

Now where that Wedge on a recovery truck thread gone...smile

mk1fan

10,516 posts

225 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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And there was me thinking you were messing about with the fuel pump wiring.

Should be fixed by now. smile

mrzigazaga

Original Poster:

18,552 posts

165 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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mk1fan said:
And there was me thinking you were messing about with the fuel pump wiring.

Should be fixed by now. smile
New fuel pump & Filter fitted ages ago...Oh and a new pump wiring loom...smile

KKson

3,403 posts

125 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Glad it's a simple fix and more importantly you and car are safe. Cheers.

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Quite similar to my failure but the 400SX wheelarches are made of sterner stuff - just some mild rubbing, no other damage.

mrzigazaga

Original Poster:

18,552 posts

165 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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KKson said:
Glad it's a simple fix and more importantly you and car are safe. Cheers.
Thanks Keith...Not sure how simple it will be until I have a go at fixing it.....smile

adam quantrill said:
Quite similar to my failure but the 400SX wheelarches are made of sterner stuff - just some mild rubbing, no other damage.
Hi Adam...

When yours snapped did it snap and leave the nut and bolt part in the hub and is there enough room to extract it pulling it towards the front of the car?...The rear part should pull out from the rear but its the front part that concerns me....


Cheers


Ziga

Tasmin200

1,269 posts

187 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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You were lucky with that Mark, that could have been a bad one.

mrzigazaga

Original Poster:

18,552 posts

165 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Tasmin200 said:
You were lucky with that Mark, that could have been a bad one.
Yes indeedy...I always say that I'm unluckily lucky...You know...Lose a million but find a thousand...smile

ElvisWedgeman

2,714 posts

165 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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This very bolt broke on my brother in laws 420 SEAC many years ago when the car was then just four years old. It seizes in time and eventually snaps off when under load. I remember he called me over to change the bolt and we had a terrible time trying to remove the old one. It was completely seized and I didn't like the idea of using a blow torch as it's very near the fuel tanks. Every time we hit it with the hammer after soaking it in WD40 the arm would bounce back and fourth. In the end we gave up and called a mechanic with the correct tools to remove it. If that bolt was to snap at high speed the driver could be history. It's always a good idea to inspect/service or replace or at least lubricate suspension joints from time to time.

Tony. TCB.

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Mine was relatively stable to drive - it only went very funny when reversing. But then again it was the nearside so probably felt less wobbly because further away from the seat of my pants.

It was a bit of a bugger to get the old bolt out but the front-most part came out fairly easily, it was seized in the shock and had to be cut between shock and rear part in the A frame. Also now I think about it I pulled the front part forward on the thread as far as it would go, using spanners to pack out the nut, then cut the bolt off with the grinder, then drifted out the remainder with an iron bar.

I have some really thin cutting discs for the grinder - about 2mm or less thick - that can get in between the parts without damaging them, also rotating the bolt half way through the cutting to cut through the rest (by now the seized bushing was rotating in the rubber.)

v8s4me

7,240 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Hard luck Mark but at least there was no damage to you or the car. Hopefully the old bolt will come out easily and you'll be back on the road in no time.

SEvans

1,159 posts

267 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Mark, if you do end up having to cut through the bolt as Adam suggests these disk are great. http://www.screwfix.com/p/flexovit-ultra-thin-cutt...
Just 0.8mm thick. I use them all the time now. A little more expensive but worth it in my opinion.
Hope you don't need them. Cheers Steve

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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I got the Erbauer ones which are 1mm thick and work well, they were on special offer so about half that price, the pack of 3 titans looks good value, you'll only need one of them for this job.

As for no damage to the car - you missed the shot of the rear valance which looks a little worse for wear...

mrzigazaga

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18,552 posts

165 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Thanks for all the helpful advice, however I have decided to not attempt it in the street...For obvious reasons, and some not so obvious...smile

1. I don't really have the correct tools needed for all scenarios....Including a 38mm socket, Torque wrench and breaker bar.
2. I do not have a press.
3. I would have to leave the car on axle stands for days if I can get the wishbone off....Not good when couriers bash into your car when its parked outside.
4. I need new bushes just in case.

And last but not least

5. I definitely do not have the patience for such a trying job


So I'm ordering the bush kit...Utilising all of next week by spraying the offending parts with some Deblock penetrating oil and have a trailer booked to take me to a fellow Wedger next weekend, who has his own garage with all the necessary equipment...And knows what he is doing...(I think)...biggrin

If its worth doing then its worth doing properly.

I would suggest that you all check yours as this is NOT something you want to happen especially if you are like me and enjoy spirited driving.

Take care out there fellow Wedgers...smile

Regards


Ziga

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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I didn't think it took me more that 3 hours, 1.5 of that was extracting the siezed bit out of the shocker bush.

I didn't have to remove the A frame (that's a lot more work and one for another day) so if I were in a similar situation I could have replaced the wheel for the overnight while I fiddled with the shocker - although it would have sat quite low on that side - but could have had an axle stand under there too.

The socket isn't that big for the 1/2" bolt - I would give it a go first, and if you get stuck, then call in the pros.

mrzigazaga

Original Poster:

18,552 posts

165 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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adam quantrill said:
I didn't think it took me more that 3 hours, 1.5 of that was extracting the siezed bit out of the shocker bush.

I didn't have to remove the A frame (that's a lot more work and one for another day) so if I were in a similar situation I could have replaced the wheel for the overnight while I fiddled with the shocker - although it would have sat quite low on that side - but could have had an axle stand under there too.

The socket isn't that big for the 1/2" bolt - I would give it a go first, and if you get stuck, then call in the pros.
Thanks Adam


Im going to have a good look at it tomorrow as the weather is supposed to be good...Mines snapped from the shock bush back and left the piece with the nut on in the hub, I'm really hoping that its not seized, although I tried a 19mm socket on the bolt head and it wouldn't budge...frown

I have a micro blowtorch and some penetrating rust eating oil...If this bolt comes out easy then I will start going to church ....Only to confess my sins that is...biggrin

KKson

3,403 posts

125 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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I had to dismantle the rear A frame and suspension on the 390 due to the cracked, welded and generally f**ked condition of it. The bolt was totally seized in the A frame and shock so cut the bolt in various places and eventually had to get a local garage with some serious oxy-acetylene to heat it up to get it dismantled. Hope yours comes out somewhat easier Mark. Cheers.

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Undo that front nut a bit, then get an open spanner (9/16" or thereabouts) between the nut and the hub carrier, then do it up trapping the spanner, it should draw the bolt forward. Also you can use the spanner as a lever and/or smack it with a hammer.

For the rear section I got a cold chisel onto the big washer behind the bolt head and it started moving.

Once the old bolt was out the new one went in easily, just jiggling the shock on a scissor jack to raise it a few mm to line it all up.

It's worth a try - noting to lose eh.

mrzigazaga

Original Poster:

18,552 posts

165 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Thanks for the heads up.....Still waiting for the weather to perk up a bit to have a better look, however I seriously think that I will be taking it to my fellow Wedger and friend who knows what to do as it his livelihood ..

My other concern would be the side that hasn't snapped, not sure I could travel up motorways with a clear mind...There would always be that worry'so if this one does come out relatively easy then we will change the other side along with bushes.

Again I share my concerns...If you haven't changed your suspension or addressed these bolts...EVER!...Then I implore you...PLEASE do.

I would hate immensely to read of anyone being less fortunate.


Im ordering a full rear A frame suspension kit from Superflex and will have all the rear wishbone and suspension bushes changed.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.su...

Part number
SF384-1032-95KSS

Thanks


Ziga

Convert

3,747 posts

218 months

Sunday 26th February 2017
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Zig, I think that they're the bushes fitted to my refurbed wishbones by 1fingerbandit.

Went in really easy (with new shocks), however the old wishbones had seized bolts on the outers (inners were fine), and I ad to use a 1mm cutting disk to remove them from the hubs.

The old bits of bolts were still in the wishbone when I brought them to BBWF2016 and gave them to Lee.

I reckon you're doing the right thing mate.