EVs... no one wants them!

[tupak798]

CheesecakeRunner said:

I'll take the £3000. That's about the same as me getting a 9000 pay rise.

That's certainly a very high rate of tax. Are you based in Finland?

[CheesecakeRunner]

UK. I get caught by one of the pernicious marginal tax rates.

[Monkeylegend]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Not good but probably not unexpected.

[Fastdruid]

CheesecakeRunner said:

survivalist said:

Chasing Potatoes said:

Almost certainly the exception and I’d say that an EV isn’t right for someone doing that with any regularity. But most people aren’t.

It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately.

I worked out that running an EV was that much cheaper, I could hire a vehicle for doing trips like that on the rare occasions I do them, and still be quids in.

Buying a car for something you do twice a year is stupid. Buy one for the thing you do the other 363 days.

Equally I worked out that the savings didn't add up. By the time I've hired something for the times an EV wouldn't be suitable I'd have blown through any savings I'd have made running one.

[Ankh87]

Fastdruid said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

survivalist said:

Chasing Potatoes said:

Almost certainly the exception and I’d say that an EV isn’t right for someone doing that with any regularity. But most people aren’t.

It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately.

I worked out that running an EV was that much cheaper, I could hire a vehicle for doing trips like that on the rare occasions I do them, and still be quids in.

Buying a car for something you do twice a year is stupid. Buy one for the thing you do the other 363 days.

Equally I worked out that the savings didn't add up. By the time I've hired something for the times an EV wouldn't be suitable I'd have blown through any savings I'd have made running one.

Should get a Tesla. Isn't that the go to if you need 300+ miles and pay over the odds for the pleasure?

Once there's other alternatives and BEVs designed for motorway miles at motorway speeds without a significant drop off in range, then things will be better for the new and used market.

[survivalist]

Evanivitch said:

survivalist said:

In reality these are fringe benefits.

Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.

As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.

A 300+ mile day is quite easily done in a 64kWh car. I'm not sure how many people want to drive 5+ hours for holiday, and young families aren't so keen.

Maybe we are the exception. Next long trip will be just short of 700 miles in one day. Stopping only for toilet breaks and fuel. Food in service stations is god awful so no interest in stopping to eat.

Tried stopping half way and staying in a hotel in the past. It certainly makes the journey feel more relaxed, but adds nothing to the experience. You stop at a hotel, have dinner, sleep and then head off after breakfast’. Much better to do it in one hit IMO.

The other factor in all of this is cruising speed. Once in Europe the speed limit is generally 130 kph and I’ve never been stopped if under 145kph.

EV range seems to dip off massively after 110kph, and that’s before considering the massive drag from the bikes and roof box we have strapped to the car for a 2 week family holiday.

[blue al]

Monkeylegend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Not good but probably not unexpected.

The most successful electric car company ever is laying off staff…
EVs no one wants them…or to put it another way, despite the generous tax breaks offered by the UK government to single handedly solve the world’s climate crisis, it now seems this is not being reciprocated by the rest of the world’s major economies, perhaps less carrot more stick is now the only viable route forward.

I’d like to see the study that proved cheap Porsches for 2-3 years with an average of 6k pa or less mileage for the better off for was a far better use of taxpayers funds than lagging lofts on the cheap, or subsidies for micro nuclear plants other potential worthy “eco” measures

[M4cruiser]

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

[loudlashadjuster]

M4cruiser said:

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

Eh? This is just a description of the lease payments on a car, as concisely as possible which might be appreciated by anyone looking for something like that.

That particular car might not be my cup tea, or yours, but it's hardly an unusual thing to lease a car nowadays.

[FWIW]

M4cruiser said:

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

Would you like someone to explain it to you?

[Chasing Potatoes]

M4cruiser said:

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

It’s really not hard.

[nickfrog]

M4cruiser said:

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

It made perfect sense to me. But let me confuse you now. Take the opportunity cost and the fuel saving out of the £255 and you get not very much at all. Great deal for someone.

[autumnsum]

Monkeylegend said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68818113

Not good but probably not unexpected.

lmao what could possibly go wrong alienating the exact people who buy your cars.

And now the cheaper, better Chinese cars are on the way...

[tupak798]

FWIW said:

M4cruiser said:

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

Would you like someone to explain it to you?

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

[soxboy]

M4cruiser said:

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

How is that not ‘real money’? It’s a very sensible way to get a car if it’s that price, especially if it’s an EV where technology is moving forwards and I personally wouldn’t be too keen on having a larger sum of my money tied up in.

If you’ve got a home charger and can save say £100 per month in fuel then it’s £150 per month to run a brand new car.

[Fastlane]

M4cruiser said:

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

Wow. You don't understand it, so it must be gobbledygook? The vast majority of "real people" finance their cars and surely any proper red-blooded V8-driving petrol-sniffing enthusiast should understand that?

Perhaps ask what he means next time rather than resorting to insults...

[John87]

soxboy said:

How is that not ‘real money’?

It's snobbery usually coming from people who would only buy cars with cash.

The same people who have no concept that the depreciation of that cash purchase over the same timeframe is usually around the same as the cost to lease. All a lease does from a financial point of view is fix that cost at the outset and remove the risk of it changing over time.

[Evanivitch]

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

[soxboy]

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

Already at £34k for delivery miles. That P11d value is pretty irrelevant other than reinforcing opinions that EVs are overpriced.

[Sheepshanks]

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

From next April they’ll be liable for luxury car tax so either the threshold is going to have to raised or the P11D value dropped - it’s no good discounting them.