EVs... no one wants them!

[soxboy]

M4cruiser said:

soxboy said:

If anyone wants an EV estate (from the lease deals thread):

Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer 115kW GS 54kWh 5dr Auto
P11D £42290
9+36, £201.91 per month + £300 fees
5K miles, 6K available for £7 per month extra
Total = £9184.03 or just over £255.11 per month
21% of P11D

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

How is that not ‘real money’? It’s a very sensible way to get a car if it’s that price, especially if it’s an EV where technology is moving forwards and I personally wouldn’t be too keen on having a larger sum of my money tied up in.

If you’ve got a home charger and can save say £100 per month in fuel then it’s £150 per month to run a brand new car.

[Fastlane]

M4cruiser said:

Well, there you go .... Your post is unintelligible gobbledygook.
Some people live in a different world to those if us who actually have to pay real money for our cars.

Wow. You don't understand it, so it must be gobbledygook? The vast majority of "real people" finance their cars and surely any proper red-blooded V8-driving petrol-sniffing enthusiast should understand that?

Perhaps ask what he means next time rather than resorting to insults...

[John87]

soxboy said:

How is that not ‘real money’?

It's snobbery usually coming from people who would only buy cars with cash.

The same people who have no concept that the depreciation of that cash purchase over the same timeframe is usually around the same as the cost to lease. All a lease does from a financial point of view is fix that cost at the outset and remove the risk of it changing over time.

[Evanivitch]

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

[soxboy]

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

Already at £34k for delivery miles. That P11d value is pretty irrelevant other than reinforcing opinions that EVs are overpriced.

[Sheepshanks]

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

From next April they’ll be liable for luxury car tax so either the threshold is going to have to raised or the P11D value dropped - it’s no good discounting them.

[Downward]

Dave200 said:

Ankh87 said:

Dave200 said:

But why is this a problem now? Not everyone needs to own an EV now. In fact not everyone needs to own an EV in 2035 either. The 56% of people who can charge at home should be fine now, and we've got plenty of time to figure out which of the many solutions for public charging can be scaled to meet demand over the next 11 years.

Because the Government couldn't organise this if they wanted to. 11 years and there's been tiny steps since the 2030 date was set.

So your reason for not wanting an EV is that you don't think anything will change in the next 11 years?

It’s a bit crazy.
Just think back to 2013. Were there any chargers for the handful of EV’s around ?

[tamore]

Downward said:

It’s a bit crazy.
Just think back to 2013. Were there any chargers for the handful of EV’s around ?

and further to that, it really didn't get going until the end of the decade, and arguably the 20s. the progress curve is getting steeper

[Downward]

survivalist said:

Evanivitch said:

survivalist said:

In reality these are fringe benefits.

Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.

As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.

A 300+ mile day is quite easily done in a 64kWh car. I'm not sure how many people want to drive 5+ hours for holiday, and young families aren't so keen.

Maybe we are the exception. Next long trip will be just short of 700 miles in one day. Stopping only for toilet breaks and fuel. Food in service stations is god awful so no interest in stopping to eat.

Tried stopping half way and staying in a hotel in the past. It certainly makes the journey feel more relaxed, but adds nothing to the experience. You stop at a hotel, have dinner, sleep and then head off after breakfast’. Much better to do it in one hit IMO.

The other factor in all of this is cruising speed. Once in Europe the speed limit is generally 130 kph and I’ve never been stopped if under 145kph.

EV range seems to dip off massively after 110kph, and that’s before considering the massive drag from the bikes and roof box we have strapped to the car for a 2 week family holiday.

Apt username.

Edited by Downward on Monday 15th April 22:52

[Evanivitch]

Sheepshanks said:

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

From next April they’ll be liable for luxury car tax so either the threshold is going to have to raised or the P11D value dropped - it’s no good discounting them.

By then we'll have a new government and a new budget...

[JNW1]

Evanivitch said:

Sheepshanks said:

Evanivitch said:

tupak798 said:

The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf

21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..

I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.

From next April they’ll be liable for luxury car tax so either the threshold is going to have to raised or the P11D value dropped - it’s no good discounting them.

By then we'll have a new government and a new budget...

True but it won't have much room for tax cuts (quite the reverse) and hence continuing to allow a concession to people who are affluent enough to be to afford a car costing over £40k car seems unlikely....

[Essarell]

Someone must want this one, hopefully it’s manufacture hasn’t gone to waste, delivery mileage and £35k off, got to be the ideal vehicle:

[greenarrow]

Does anyone know if the Peugeot e-208 is any good? Keep seeing them about and thinking "That's a fairly attractive looking normal size hatchback that would fit into my life well as a run-around". If we could have more EVs which were that size and appearance, I think the take up amongst the masses would increase, especially as the range issues improve with each generation. Spoken by someone who isn't particularly pro or anti EV, but who doesn't like large SUV type vehicles and is wary about jumping too soon, due to the pace of technological change.

[soxboy]

Essarell said:

Someone must want this one, hopefully it’s manufacture hasn’t gone to waste, delivery mileage and £35k off, got to be the ideal vehicle:

Even cheaper if you go through a broker:

[Dave200]

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

Essarell said:

Someone must want this one, hopefully it’s manufacture hasn’t gone to waste, delivery mileage and £35k off, got to be the ideal vehicle:

Just to confirm, it is a PCP rather than an outright sale. You still have the balloon payment at the end right?

[vikingaero]

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Essarell said:

Someone must want this one, hopefully it’s manufacture hasn’t gone to waste, delivery mileage and £35k off, got to be the ideal vehicle:

Just to confirm, it is a PCP rather than an outright sale. You still have the balloon payment at the end right?

Is this a 5,000 mile pa contract. Fine if you live in London, but I thought the whole point of having a car was to travel and not just look good in one!

[740EVTORQUES]

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

My 2.1 ton car costs 3p/ mile in ‘fuel’, my 1.5 ton car costs 30p/ mile

Go figure?

[Fastdruid]

vikingaero said:

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Essarell said:

Someone must want this one, hopefully it’s manufacture hasn’t gone to waste, delivery mileage and £35k off, got to be the ideal vehicle:

Just to confirm, it is a PCP rather than an outright sale. You still have the balloon payment at the end right?

Is this a 5,000 mile pa contract. Fine if you live in London, but I thought the whole point of having a car was to travel and not just look good in one!

An expensive EV makes a massive amount of sense (over a cheaper ICE) if you're doing massive miles (particularly if you can charge at home) so you trade off the extra purchase/rental costs against "fuel" (and also BIK). Doesn't make quite so much sense if you're not doing the mileage!

Although that said I guess in London the savings from having cheaper parking, congestion charge savings etc could probably also make up a chunk of savings.

[Dave200]

740EVTORQUES said:

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

My 2.1 ton car costs 3p/ mile in ‘fuel’, my 1.5 ton car costs 30p/ mile

Go figure?

Suspect that his commercial relationship with the synthetic fuels company has somewhat tainted his views on EVs.