EVs... no one wants them!

[T_S_M]

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well?

[loudlashadjuster]

T_S_M said:

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well?

That's different. It's JLR

[Dave200]

loudlashadjuster said:

T_S_M said:

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well?

That's different. It's JLR

The replies are predictably sycophantic, with nobody questioning his hypocrisy.

[confused_buyer]

soxboy said:

Already at £34k for delivery miles. That P11d value is pretty irrelevant other than reinforcing opinions that EVs are overpriced.

The P11D value is only irrelevant because BIK is at the moment artificially low. On, say, a 4 year lease there is no telling what will happen tax wise but it is fair to say BIK will not stay at 2% forever. Remember it has already gone up from 0%.

Also, personally, I'd be bloody annoyed at having to pay a premium road tax amount because some lunatic in Vauxhall marketing has set a fantasy price no one will ever pay.

[tupak798]

Dave200 said:

loudlashadjuster said:

T_S_M said:

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well?

That's different. It's JLR

The replies are predictably sycophantic, with nobody questioning his hypocrisy.

Where is the Harry M link? The above twitter link just seems to go to some eco loon whinging?

[Chasing Potatoes]

You literally have to scroll up one post to see what he’s replying to.

[Dave200]

tupak798 said:

Dave200 said:

loudlashadjuster said:

T_S_M said:

Dave200 said:

I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.

https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...

The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well?

That's different. It's JLR

The replies are predictably sycophantic, with nobody questioning his hypocrisy.

Where is the Harry M link? The above twitter link just seems to go to some eco loon whinging?

The link takes you to a reply on Harry's post, calling out his usual brand of clickbait lingo. Suspect it was too much to expect impartiality from someone who takes money from Land Rover and a synthetic fuels company.

[JNW1]

confused_buyer said:

Also, personally, I'd be bloody annoyed at having to pay a premium road tax amount because some lunatic in Vauxhall marketing has set a fantasy price no one will ever pay.

I think the proposal is to introduce the premium road tax by reference to date of registration and hence cars registered before April 2025 will never have to pay it. Therefore, from a buyer's point of view you'll be able to go in with your eyes open and avoid any cars that are liable for the high rate of road tax - and you're right, I doubt Vauxhall will be shifting many of those Astras if people are going to have to pay the expensive car supplement for the privilege!

[lidds]

greenarrow said:

Does anyone know if the Peugeot e-208 is any good? Keep seeing them about and thinking "That's a fairly attractive looking normal size hatchback that would fit into my life well as a run-around". If we could have more EVs which were that size and appearance, I think the take up amongst the masses would increase, especially as the range issues improve with each generation. Spoken by someone who isn't particularly pro or anti EV, but who doesn't like large SUV type vehicles and is wary about jumping too soon, due to the pace of technological change.

Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.
She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.

[Ankh87]

lidds said:

Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.
She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.

But why didn't you just get an EV and then hire something? That's what people will point out here as you aren't towing 90% of the time.


The Peugeot are nice little cars. The EVs are good as well if you are doing city driving.

[Chasing Potatoes]

Ankh87 said:

But why didn't you just get an EV and then hire something? That's what people will point out here as you aren't towing 90% of the time.

Literally no-one here would suggest that. Try and keep things sensible.

[740EVTORQUES]

lidds said:

Neighbour has a yellow 21 plate I think,just gone for regen problems,£4000 to fix apparenly.Paid by warranty.Still likes it though.
She asked why I didn't buy an electric car instead of Audi q7 4,2 quattro....No electric in my price range to tow anything large.
I am not anti ev but horses for courses.

My BMW V8 flashed up the red cog of death 6 months after i bought it. Spent 5 weeks in the dealership while a new ZF gearbox was delivered from Germany and fitted under warranty. Didn't dare ask how much it cost (BMW)!

What's your point by the way?

[monkfish1]

Chasing Potatoes said:

Ankh87 said:

But why didn't you just get an EV and then hire something? That's what people will point out here as you aren't towing 90% of the time.

Literally no-one here would suggest that. Try and keep things sensible.

In fairness, they have in the past.

[Chasing Potatoes]

monkfish1 said:

In fairness, they have in the past.

Anyone regularly towing will not be best served by an EV. Once a year to the tip? Maybe worth it depending on the rest of your needs.

[LowTread]

Or for bike racks.

Model 3 with factory towbar can pull 1000kg.

Agree that if your towing any distance you're not buying an EV. It would be an utter ballache unhitching at services every 100 miles to charge up!

[Ankh87]

Chasing Potatoes said:

monkfish1 said:

In fairness, they have in the past.

Anyone regularly towing will not be best served by an EV. Once a year to the tip? Maybe worth it depending on the rest of your needs.

How regular is regular though? Once a month?

People clearly have said if you only do X journey every so often, then EV will be fine and just to hire what you need.
Which I fully understand that but it's such a faff and an additional cost.

This is why I'm looking at an estate car rather than say a Golf size car. Yes I don't need it 90% of the time but that 10% justifies it. Just load up on that day, away we go for the weekend at the drop of a hat.

Of course it's each to their own need.

[tupak798]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...

Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)

Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…

Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21

[tamore]

tupak798 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...

Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)

Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…

Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21

are you going to use all your usernames to post that?

like every major transition, it was never going to be smooth. transition it will though, so hold your esso tiger teddy tight cos you aren't going to like it.

[Fastlane]

tupak798 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...

Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)

Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…

Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21

Don't you have anything better to do? Your life must be incredibly sad..

[stevemcs]

Ankh87 said:

How regular is regular though? Once a month?

People clearly have said if you only do X journey every so often, then EV will be fine and just to hire what you need.
Which I fully understand that but it's such a faff and an additional cost.

This is why I'm looking at an estate car rather than say a Golf size car. Yes I don't need it 90% of the time but that 10% justifies it. Just load up on that day, away we go for the weekend at the drop of a hat.

Of course it's each to their own need.

Because it is pretty much impossible to hire a car with a towbar
Insurance may not cover what you are towing
You then have the whole damage issue
If you are going away for weekends then it’s almost impossible to collect unless you don’t work
You won’t have roof bars to put a roof box on
You won’t have a number plate to fit to the caravan for the hired vehicle

Then if you have an ev

Our box is 1100kg so too much for a Tesla (polestar are much better though)
The range is nowhere near enough, I would want a towing range of 300 miles - why, well as an example we are off to brands hatch soon, 120 miles each way, we will leave at 6pm, get there around 8.30 and when we are there we have nowhere to charge, we are there to see the racing not drive around looking for electrons then I have no intention of trying to find a charge on a Sunday evening when I have to get back, empty everything and put it back in storage.
A Tesla is not big enough
There is no way I will buy one of those horrible looking things.

However if there was a small ev with a range of 100 miles that could be leased for £100 a month and not be built in china then I would consider it.