EVs... no one wants them!

[D4rez]

tupak798 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...

Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)

Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…

Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21

I think you make a good point, let’s up the tax subsidies and add it to price of petrol ones. Oh wait, the ZEV mandate is already going to do that for us. Excellent news

[tupak798]

D4rez said:

tupak798 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314449/...

Superb, finally we can finally can this net zero lunacy. As the thread title says nobody wants them (without a massive tax subsidy at least..)

Cue endless bullst stories about LEJOG on a 15 minute charge from the fantasists…

Edited by tupak798 on Tuesday 16th April 19:21

I think you make a good point, let’s up the tax subsidies and add it to price of petrol ones. Oh wait, the ZEV mandate is already going to do that for us. Excellent news

Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…

[tamore]

tupak798 said:

Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…

sod all will happen until the election, and after that…….. no chance. indeed 2030 might reappear. 2030 was only scrapped to appease…. you know…. you.

[tupak798]

tamore said:

tupak798 said:

Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…

2030 was only scrapped to appease…. you know…. you.

For ‘we’ are many…

Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…

[tamore]

tupak798 said:

For ‘we’ are many…

Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…

where as angry gammons can do…. everything?

majority not in favour of net zero? that's a big claim and i'd love to see data to back that up.

[plfrench]

tupak798 said:

Zev mandate to be removed shortly. Just like 2030. Did the EU have a 2030 ban I forget? They certainly don’t have a zev mandate…

Changing the ZEV Mandate law now would in all liklihood result in the UK government being sued to the tune of billions by various manufacturers around the world who have set their plans in place for the UK market based upon the planned trajectory.

Longer term, we have to wean our population off fossil fuels for the good of the economy, so no government in their right mind would back away from it. Labour and Lib Dems are both proposing quicker measures than the Conservatives too. It's not going anywhere.

[soxboy]

tupak798 said:

For ‘we’ are many…

Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…

‘Far more Conservative voters back net zero climate target than don't, survey finds’

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/far-more-conservati...

[nickfrog]

Not surprised. Being a Conservative and supporting the reduction in the use of fossil fuel are not two mutually exclusive propositions. Unless you're a trolling weirdo (or 5 at the last count).

[Moorlandman]

Is anyone really paying £55,000 to buy an electric VW Passat (well an ID7 touring).

If you look at the photos (apart from the Dashboard) it looks like a typical 2010 - 2020 VW

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id7/36233...

[ben5575]

nickfrog said:

Not surprised. Being a Conservative and supporting the reduction in the use of fossil fuel are not two mutually exclusive propositions. Unless you're a trolling weirdo (or 5 at the last count).

Presumably those are the 'we' they are referring to.

[survivalist]

Moorlandman said:

Is anyone really paying £55,000 to buy an electric VW Passat (well an ID7 touring).

If you look at the photos (apart from the Dashboard) it looks like a typical 2010 - 2020 VW

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id7/36233...

Of course not. Like the vast majority of EVs it’ll be significantly cheaper because of reduced taxation or discounts hidden in PCP and lease deals.

Not that that’s a bad thing, means the more cars on the used market in 2 or 3 years time.

[JNW1]

soxboy said:

‘Far more Conservative voters back net zero climate target than don't, survey finds’

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/far-more-conservati...

Fair enough but as is always the case with opinion polls the answers given depend on the questions asked. For example, it's perfectly possible to support the aim of moving to net zero whilst also disagreeing with either some of the proposed methods and/or the timescale for getting there.

[trumpton7291]

JNW1 said:

soxboy said:

‘Far more Conservative voters back net zero climate target than don't, survey finds’

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/far-more-conservati...

Fair enough but as is always the case with opinion polls the answers given depend on the questions asked. For example, it's perfectly possible to support the aim of moving to net zero whilst also disagreeing with either some of the proposed methods and/or the timescale for getting there.

Easy to support when, as of today, you are minimally impacted. Different story when the regulations actually start to bite & affect the general population.

[Discombobulate]

tupak798 said:

For ‘we’ are many…

Election means nothing, the clear majority are not in favour of net zero. Flip flopping kneelers can do… nothing…

Aye, but we are in control, not the Gammons. So try not to get too angry. It won't help.

Yours

Discombobulate.

EV driving immigrant and President of the Illuminati

Edited by Discombobulate on Wednesday 17th April 09:04

[Tony33]

Moorlandman said:

Is anyone really paying £55,000 to buy an electric VW Passat (well an ID7 touring).

If you look at the photos (apart from the Dashboard) it looks like a typical 2010 - 2020 VW

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id7/36233...

check out the Buzz, £60k+ for something that looks like it was from the 60s! Joking aside the current crop of EV SUVs all look so anonymous and dull that something resembling a car will appeal to some potential customers.

Cars, especially EVs have massively inflated RRPs right now. Once breaking the “luxury” tax bracket it seems almost an arbitrary figure.

[Dave200]

Tony33 said:

heck out the Buzz, £60k+ for something that looks like it was from the 60s! Joking aside the current crop of EV SUVs all look so anonymous and dull that something resembling a car will appeal to some potential customers.

Cars, especially EVs have massively inflated RRPs right now. Once breaking the “luxury” tax bracket it seems almost an arbitrary figure.

So your point is mostly that new cars look anonymous and are too expensive?

[CheesecakeRunner]

Tony33 said:

check out the Buzz, £60k+ for something that looks like it was from the 60s!

That's the whole fking point of it.

[trumpton7291]

I see batteries are not the only expensive part of EV ownership...

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/apr/17/rena...

£11k... ouch!

[tamore]

trumpton7291 said:

I see batteries are not the only expensive part of EV ownership...

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/apr/17/rena...

£11k... ouch!

you forgot to sign off with 'gotcha!'

[_Hoppers]

trumpton7291 said:

I see batteries are not the only expensive part of EV ownership...

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/apr/17/rena...

£11k... ouch!

I've been eyeing up a Model 3 Tesla, but after reading this I think I might go for a Ford with a wet belt Eco Boost engine?!