EVs... no one wants them!
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KingGary said:
I was talking to by brother yesterday who lives in California. He was telling me how much he regretted buying his I Pace. Told me real world range is under 200 miles and range anxiety ruins the experience, as most of the time, chargers are broken or occupied whilst people go shopping, blocking usage by other EV owners. He tried to sell it back to the dealer he bought it from but they only offered him $25k. He bought it a year earlier for $60k so now he’s stuck with it. Says it’s crap and wouldn’t own another.
He must drive very fast as I was getting around 220 miles in the depths of winter, more like 250 on a warm day.Scrimpton said:
He must drive very fast as I was getting around 220 miles in the depths of winter, more like 250 on a warm day.
Or maybe not all batteries are equal and usage is different. If he's got the aircon on constantly because he's in Cali, I'm sure that uses more electric than the heater. Factor in that if he's on higher speed roads, that'll use more battery. Fleet registrations have seen a significant drop in BEVs but a bigger increase in PHEVs. Maybe some businesses went too early with BEVs and are replacing them with PHEVs. My guess is this will turn around as range increases.
Company cars still account for half the new cars on the road so this is significant.
Company cars still account for half the new cars on the road so this is significant.
Ankh87 said:
Or maybe not all batteries are equal and usage is different. If he's got the aircon on constantly because he's in Cali, I'm sure that uses more electric than the heater. Factor in that if he's on higher speed roads, that'll use more battery.
If if if. Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
anyoldcardave said:
An ICE vehicle needs electricity to work, and for decades has charged itself.
So why no self charging EV ?
My KIA EV6 GT has vehicle to load, it comes with an adapter and it also has 240v sockets in the back. I suppose you could plug in the granny charger in and it would charge itself. Is that what you mean?So why no self charging EV ?
anyoldcardave said:
An ICE vehicle needs electricity to work, and for decades has charged itself.
So why no self charging EV ?
One of a number of reasons that ICE is nowhere near as efficient as EV tech.So why no self charging EV ?
Because of the first law of thermodynamics, while you could do it - eg run a generator off the motor - it wouldn't be efficient.
Regen on braking / slowing is different and harnesses 'self charging" energy that would otherwise be lost.
Chasing Potatoes said:
Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
In spite of the obvious advantages charging infrastructure wise, I couldn't bring myself to own a Tesla as I hate the interior with a passion. I get that is simply my preference but probably not alone.Tony33 said:
Fleet registrations have seen a significant drop in BEVs but a bigger increase in PHEVs. Maybe some businesses went too early with BEVs and are replacing them with PHEVs. My guess is this will turn around as range increases.
Company cars still account for half the new cars on the road so this is significant.
Three years ago, at my employer, anyone on the company car scheme could get a long range Tesla. Company cars still account for half the new cars on the road so this is significant.
Our budgets don’t seem to have risen along with lease costs.
We now can’t even get a short range Tesla, so EV options are things like VW id3, Vauxhall Astra, MG4, short range Volvo EX30.
We can still all get £50k+ BMW 330e.
As you can imagine, even with the escalating BIK, people are still going hybrid.
Chasing Potatoes said:
If if if.
Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
I’ve gone from a Tesla to a BMW, and don’t really see any issue with charging infrastructure worth getting worked up about In fact, on the journeys where I do sometimes need to fast charge the public network has more convenient chargers than Tesla, since they generally mean a diversion from the route I’m on. Thats probably not the case inside the M25 though, and Tesla chargers are cheaper. Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
Tony33 said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
In spite of the obvious advantages charging infrastructure wise, I couldn't bring myself to own a Tesla as I hate the interior with a passion. I get that is simply my preference but probably not alone.PSRG said:
I’ve gone from a Tesla to a BMW, and don’t really see any issue with charging infrastructure worth getting worked up about In fact, on the journeys where I do sometimes need to fast charge the public network has more convenient chargers than Tesla, since they generally mean a diversion from the route I’m on. Thats probably not the case inside the M25 though, and Tesla chargers are cheaper.
Specially the case of one vs a i-Pace in California. Tony33 said:
n spite of the obvious advantages charging infrastructure wise, I couldn't bring myself to own a Tesla as I hate the interior with a passion. I get that is simply my preference but probably not alone.
Almost certainly not alone. I love them personally but then I am OCD and a fan of minimalism. Chasing Potatoes said:
Ankh87 said:
Or maybe not all batteries are equal and usage is different. If he's got the aircon on constantly because he's in Cali, I'm sure that uses more electric than the heater. Factor in that if he's on higher speed roads, that'll use more battery.
If if if. Baffles me why you’d buy anything other than a Tesla with the infrastructure there but there you are.
There's also the factor that he might not actually like the look of a Tesla. Believe it or not Teslas aren't all that, I'm not a fan of them, I prefer the looks of other EVs.
As for the infrastructure, that goes to show you how easy it is for an EV to not work. You'd not have an issue with an ICE where you can't get fuel. He should be able to charge his EV where there's chargers shouldn't he?
USA drivers have a completely different need than UK drivers. They tend to commute a lot more miles, they also do more miles on general, usually need more space as well.
JNW1 said:
I agree. There's a lot to like about Teslas but personally I'm not a fan of touchscreens in cars and hence I don't think I could live with the reliance on the central touchscreen in the Model 3. No stalks for things like wipers and indicators just seems a nonsense to me and even some of the owners on the Tesla sub-forum appear critical of the way these things work.....
Losing the stalks was and is idiotic. The answer to a question no-one was asking. If I was in the market for an EV the Taycans are starting to look tempting in some examples and so many to choose from there will be plenty of haggle room. Amazing that there are nearly 800 Taycans on AT and only just over 1000 Macans!
Some on AT are down 20% on their initial asking price but those look like they are just chasing the market down rather than pricing to actually achieve a sale. Hard for owners not to be in denial about the depreciation they have suffered.
Some on AT are down 20% on their initial asking price but those look like they are just chasing the market down rather than pricing to actually achieve a sale. Hard for owners not to be in denial about the depreciation they have suffered.
Ankh87 said:
Well I can't say for 100% but the temperature in California usually requires the aircon. Then if he's doing big miles, again usually will be at highway speeds, which again reduced range.
There's also the factor that he might not actually like the look of a Tesla. Believe it or not Teslas aren't all that, I'm not a fan of them, I prefer the looks of other EVs.
As for the infrastructure, that goes to show you how easy it is for an EV to not work. You'd not have an issue with an ICE where you can't get fuel. He should be able to charge his EV where there's chargers shouldn't he?
USA drivers have a completely different need than UK drivers. They tend to commute a lot more miles, they also do more miles on general, usually need more space as well.
All of which make even buying an EV with those needs even more daft. There's also the factor that he might not actually like the look of a Tesla. Believe it or not Teslas aren't all that, I'm not a fan of them, I prefer the looks of other EVs.
As for the infrastructure, that goes to show you how easy it is for an EV to not work. You'd not have an issue with an ICE where you can't get fuel. He should be able to charge his EV where there's chargers shouldn't he?
USA drivers have a completely different need than UK drivers. They tend to commute a lot more miles, they also do more miles on general, usually need more space as well.
As for this bit:
“ Believe it or not Teslas aren't all that, I'm not a fan of them, I prefer the looks of other EVs. ”
You’re replacing fact with opinion.
anyoldcardave said:
An ICE vehicle needs electricity to work, and for decades has charged itself.
So why no self charging EV ?
The technology must be available?
There are, and it is.So why no self charging EV ?
The technology must be available?
Edited by anyoldcardave on Sunday 21st April 18:01
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