EVs... no one wants them!

[Essarell]

740EVTORQUES said:

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

[confused_buyer]

CivicDuties said:

Find me an Approved Used 2022 reg VW Golf for under £13k:



I'm on my second Leaf. Had a 24kwh for three years, then a 30kwh for three years, going to upgrade to a 40kwh shortly I think. Reliability issues? Zero. Maintenance costs? Zero. Service costs? Minimal. Fuel costs? Laughably small. Depreciation? No worse than anything else I've ever owned, file under "st happens". Range anxiety? Never experienced once. For my daily use around town, school runs, commuting, shopping, why would I want a smelly, noisy ICE. A Leaf is perfect for that.

An old used Leaf can be surprisingly useful in the right circumstances. My main gripe with them is they are so miserable to drive. The EV bit is fine (and by far the best bit of the car) but the ride, handling, steering, seats, everything else I find to be one of the worst cars made in the last 15 years.

If only they'd injected the smallest bit of fun or pleasure into the damn thing.

They're well equipped though and the stereo is good on the top model so if you are mainly sitting in traffic going slowly can work.

[LowTread]

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

[nickfrog]

Maracus said:

That anti EV Bingo list appeared earlier in this thread, almost word for word under a different user name

How many more accounts is he/she going to create?

What a really weird thing to do.

[CivicDuties]

confused_buyer said:

CivicDuties said:

Find me an Approved Used 2022 reg VW Golf for under £13k:



I'm on my second Leaf. Had a 24kwh for three years, then a 30kwh for three years, going to upgrade to a 40kwh shortly I think. Reliability issues? Zero. Maintenance costs? Zero. Service costs? Minimal. Fuel costs? Laughably small. Depreciation? No worse than anything else I've ever owned, file under "st happens". Range anxiety? Never experienced once. For my daily use around town, school runs, commuting, shopping, why would I want a smelly, noisy ICE. A Leaf is perfect for that.

An old used Leaf can be surprisingly useful in the right circumstances. My main gripe with them is they are so miserable to drive. The EV bit is fine (and by far the best bit of the car) but the ride, handling, steering, seats, everything else I find to be one of the worst cars made in the last 15 years.

If only they'd injected the smallest bit of fun or pleasure into the damn thing.

They're well equipped though and the stereo is good on the top model so if you are mainly sitting in traffic going slowly can work.

I disagree strongly. The seats in Leaf are the best I've been in since I had a SAAB 9-5. I love the way it drives and rides, and I don't care much how it handles, it's for driving round town at under 40mph.

I wouldn't be about to buy my third if I didn't like and enjoy them.

[nickfrog]

Essarell said:

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

I tried to keep up with an EV6 recently in the JCW, I don't think it was a GT but big mistake either way.

[740EVTORQUES]

nickfrog said:

Essarell said:

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

I tried to keep up with an EV6 recently in the JCW, I don't think it was a GT but big mistake either way.

It blows my Porsche 997 C2s into the weeds.

[LowTread]

nickfrog said:

Essarell said:

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

I tried to keep up with an EV6 recently in the JCW, I don't think it was a GT but big mistake either way.

Having come from an OG M2 fairly recently to a Model 3 LR, i'm not surprised.

The Model 3 accelerates way harder than the M2 at anything below 80mph.

30-70 is roughly 2.5 secs. Bolting out of a 30 limit is absolutely hilarious and utterly addictive

Edited by LowTread on Thursday 18th April 16:24

[otolith]

FiF said:

I expect the usual sneering responses about poor people don't have to until etc which really doesn't do anyone any favours as it presumes that no sticks will be applied on ICE and fuel to encourage the shift. There will not be and should not be any more carrots, there is no money, which comes back to Matt's basic point.

If no carrots, it needs to be sticks, otherwise "the rich" will go back to buying petrol.

[otolith]

(For "the rich" read "the middle classes")

[740EVTORQUES]

otolith said:

(For "the rich" read "the middle classes")

And those middle class buyers are paying the new car depreciation to provide a supply of cheaper used cars for the less affluent access always the case.

Its part of the circle of (car) life

[Unreal]

Labour incoming. We'll see then how well they'll look after the middle classes.

[FiF]

740EVTORQUES said:

otolith said:

(For "the rich" read "the middle classes")

And those middle class buyers are paying the new car depreciation to provide a supply of cheaper used cars for the less affluent access always the case.

Its part of the circle of (car) life

I'm not convinced that the middle class private buyers who have in the past bought new are buying... yet. If they significantly shift to used, ex demo, ex fleet and add to the numbers who already do that maybe it puts pressure to increase used prices?

Don't know, because admittedly sering some very attractive ex demo, pre-reg offers albeit in small numbers. eg 2023 Ioniq 5 ultimate 35k 73 reg. 2024 same 37k

[JNW1]

740EVTORQUES said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Ah ok although the post to which you replied was in a context of this is what you can have for £300/month. I don't disagree the combination of performance and running costs you suggest is very impressive but I think we've now established you ain't getting it for £300/month over 3 years (or anything like!).

[JNW1]

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

[TikTak]

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

Really like them, and with the KWV3 coilovers looks great. Would certainly be the EV of choice if I were to go that route. Also the reviews for Kia customer support are ... well, shocking.

Just doesn't suit the life at this point unfortunately.

Maybe they will in the future when I can get one for £10k

[LowTread]

JNW1 said:

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

True.

I should have put it in "lease speak".

£250/m on a 40+36.

Better?

[Downward]

CivicDuties said:

Find me an Approved Used 2022 reg VW Golf for under £13k:

https://www.marshall.co.uk/used/17366160-nissan-le...

Range, schmange. For someone who hardly ever drives long distance, why would you want to pay more?

I'm on my second Leaf. Had a 24kwh for three years, then a 30kwh for three years, going to upgrade to a 40kwh shortly I think. Reliability issues? Zero. Maintenance costs? Zero. Service costs? Minimal. Fuel costs? Laughably small. Depreciation? No worse than anything else I've ever owned, file under "st happens". Range anxiety? Never experienced once. For my daily use around town, school runs, commuting, shopping, why would I want a smelly, noisy ICE. A Leaf is perfect for that.

Yeah, I have another ICE estate car for long drives. 3 Driving licenses in the family, soon to be 4, so we're gonna have at least 2 cars on the drive. But it makes absolutely no sense to have anything other than an EV for most of the miles we do.

So yeah, in reply to the thread title, someone wants them. Me.

If it were me I’d look at the bigger battery model with more power.
But I picked up a Tekna with 10k miles on it for £13k.

[Downward]

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

3.5 seconds to 60. Supercar territory. Cheaper than a Audi S3 too

[JNW1]

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

True.

I should have put it in "lease speak".

£250/m on a 40+36.

Better?