EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
LowTread said:
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
Can't do 400 miles without stopping for 20min? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Having to fund the depreciation if you buy new? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Risk of home energy prices increasing? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Government offering incentives to encourage uptake? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Off-street charging only available to 56%+ of the population? Not fit for purpose, mate.
KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. can't even blame that on ignorance as there must be a hundred posts in this thread alone which state you\re looking at 70 miles+ even in something as basic as mine.
KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. Ergo you're doing it on purpose.
Dave200 said:
LowTread said:
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
Can't do 400 miles without stopping for 20min? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Having to fund the depreciation if you buy new? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Risk of home energy prices increasing? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Government offering incentives to encourage uptake? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Off-street charging only available to 56%+ of the population? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Pay peanuts to charge via Octopus and absolutely love driving the thing.
Compared to my previous A6 I am saving money and enjoying a much nicer driving experience.
KingGary said:
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
LowTread said:
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time.
Sadly true - 99% of the people who have made their minds up have never owned one. Despite all the myths being busted (tyres, brakes, range etc). ICE owners also assume that 'refuelling' is the same process - ie drive to empty, fill to 100%. Which you never do.I was anti EV when they first came out, a good mate (who is on here) who is still a serial Ferrari, Aston and Range Rover driver was a very early adopter and I used to pull his leg all the time about having an EV. I was wrong.
I'm about to drive a 4 hour return run into London for lunch and will take the obvious car for it - the Tesla.
ChocolateFrog said:
KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. Ergo you're doing it on purpose.
To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.
Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
I have no issue with complaints about cost, not liking Teslas (I don't particularly either) or the fact that an EV might not suit you
What I have an issue with is the blanket assumption that EVs aren't fit for purpose because they don't have a range of (x) or the blatant myths/assumptions that just aren't true.
Bottom line - EVs work for a lot of people. I love mine - it's fast, efficient, quiet and easy to live with.
But it's not for everyone - I understand that. If I had to do high mileage journeys regularly and rely on the public charging network, there's no way I'd have one.
Horses for courses.
What I have an issue with is the blanket assumption that EVs aren't fit for purpose because they don't have a range of (x) or the blatant myths/assumptions that just aren't true.
Bottom line - EVs work for a lot of people. I love mine - it's fast, efficient, quiet and easy to live with.
But it's not for everyone - I understand that. If I had to do high mileage journeys regularly and rely on the public charging network, there's no way I'd have one.
Horses for courses.
Dave200 said:
90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.
Resorting to insults I see. Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25
Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis
BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.
Resorting to insults I see. Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25
Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis
Happily have one as a 2nd car though. Mulling this over right now actually as replacement for my 111R.
BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.
Resorting to insults I see. Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25
Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis
Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32
Ankh87 said:
To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.
Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
Top tip, and its free. Dont buy one.Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
My local petrol station isn’t covered, just a petrol and a diesel pump on the footpath at the front of the shop Mind you I probably wouldn’t go to fill up if it was pissing down mind
The next nearest is the same although this time it’s outside a pub and you have to go into the bar to pay
plfrench said:
Eh? Mine has come down since I had my EV - started at 10p/kWh and then dropped to 7p/kWh out of the blue last September. Household rate is only 22.6p/kWh too, so pretty reasonable.
Fuel duty losses could be compensated by excess renewable electricity sales to our interconnected neighbours (including Germany from 2028) by the this becomes a problem.
Same, I was paying 10p and it went down to 7p.Fuel duty losses could be compensated by excess renewable electricity sales to our interconnected neighbours (including Germany from 2028) by the this becomes a problem.
Dave200 said:
You don't need to wear the car you own on finance like a badge of pride. Me saying it has a rubbish engine is not insulting you personally. I didn't buy my Tesla to drive around the Nurburgring, I have other cars for that sort of thing, all of which have more interesting engines than the lump in the GR86 that it shares with such luminaries as the Subaru Ascent. As for your enjoyable chassis, I have no idea what that has to do with the EV vs ice debate. On the subject of Nurburgring laptimes, thanks to its asthmatic engine the GR86 gets around in about the same time as a V6 automatic Mercedes SLK. Hardly anything to write home about.
The car isn't on finance I own it. Renting cars isn't my thing which is why I have a 20 year old family wagon and 29 year old Group A homologation special for the weekendsEdited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32
The GR86 is a fun daily commuting tool for myself and the wife.
romft123 said:
Ankh87 said:
To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.
Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
Top tip, and its free. Dont buy one.Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.
EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.
BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
You don't need to wear the car you own on finance like a badge of pride. Me saying it has a rubbish engine is not insulting you personally. I didn't buy my Tesla to drive around the Nurburgring, I have other cars for that sort of thing, all of which have more interesting engines than the lump in the GR86 that it shares with such luminaries as the Subaru Ascent. As for your enjoyable chassis, I have no idea what that has to do with the EV vs ice debate. On the subject of Nurburgring laptimes, thanks to its asthmatic engine the GR86 gets around in about the same time as a V6 automatic Mercedes SLK. Hardly anything to write home about.
The car isn't on finance I own it. Renting cars isn't my thing which is why I have a 20 year old family wagon and 29 year old Group A homologation special for the weekendsEdited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32
The GR86 is a fun daily commuting tool for myself and the wife.
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