EVs... no one wants them!
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confused_buyer said:
Hmm. Personally I think a 3 year old Honda EV at 20k or so being worth £20k disposal price has about the same chance of me winning Wimbledon this year.
Most EVs are losing 50% in the first 18 months at the moment. I am not saying this to knock EVs, it is just how it is.
Sure, if it's worth even less than 50% of list at 3 years then that makes the already compelling case for leasing it...even more compelling. They are starting to make excellent used purchases though as the used market has simply corrected the absurdly high list prices.Most EVs are losing 50% in the first 18 months at the moment. I am not saying this to knock EVs, it is just how it is.
I sympathise about the Wimbledon thing as at the moment I am even struggling to win club "friendlies"
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
KingGary said:
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
Now I just cruise home in warmth, plug in and the car’s full again in the morning - bliss!
Gir this reason alone is never consider a non EV again.
20 minutes gets you around 100 miles on a DC charger btw.
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
Mine is privately owned. Nothing to do with salary sacrifice.
So it is even worse for you then as you are paying for the depreciation.Just for arguments sake I bought a brand new GR86 last summer. In its first year it will lose 3-4k and will most likely be worth 26k at 3 years old. That works out at little over £200 a month in depreciation. Add £100 in fuel and it "costs" me £300 a month to run compared to an EV. At the end of it I have 26k in capital too.
I could have bought an MG4 trophy for a similar price and been well out of pocket by now. Most have lost 10-15k in their first year. By the time 3 years comes around I would be lucky to have 10k in my back pocket after selling.
Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25
BricktopST205 said:
Tony33 said:
ou can lease/PCP cars without salary sacrifice you know. Let the finance company take the hit on depreciation is they get the residuals all wrong. No risk, the monthlies are the same and hand it back at the end of term.
That ship has sailed a long time ago though a bog standard zero option M3 with zero deposit is £636 a month. 23 grand to own over 3 years with nothing to show for it. NDA said:
OutInTheShed said:
Mondeo 2 litre Ghia, petrol,
Audi A6 diesel,
Peugeot 406 diesel
A 490bhp EV might be more interesting to drive than the models you've selected for comparison.Audi A6 diesel,
Peugeot 406 diesel
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. LowTread said:
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
Can't do 400 miles without stopping for 20min? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Having to fund the depreciation if you buy new? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Risk of home energy prices increasing? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Government offering incentives to encourage uptake? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Off-street charging only available to 56%+ of the population? Not fit for purpose, mate.
KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. can't even blame that on ignorance as there must be a hundred posts in this thread alone which state you\re looking at 70 miles+ even in something as basic as mine.
KingGary said:
tamore said:
KingGary said:
What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.
well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account. Ergo you're doing it on purpose.
Dave200 said:
LowTread said:
Zj2002 said:
For sure. I came from a 2.0tdi A6 to an i4 M50, the 500+bhp, sub 4 secs to 60 and £10 for a full ‘tank’ mean I will never go back to cars such as those above.
Agree.I came from a background of fairly interesting cars and would struggle to go back to ICE now. In terms of cost, convenience, smoothness, power, etc.
Being able to plug in at home and never needing to visit a garage is really brilliant too.
And on longer journeys it really isn't the big deal that some are making out when needing a 20-30 min stop to add 150-200 miles or so.
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time. It was my son that convinced me to try one, and i was immediately sold on it.
Can't do 400 miles without stopping for 20min? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Having to fund the depreciation if you buy new? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Risk of home energy prices increasing? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Government offering incentives to encourage uptake? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Off-street charging only available to 56%+ of the population? Not fit for purpose, mate.
Pay peanuts to charge via Octopus and absolutely love driving the thing.
Compared to my previous A6 I am saving money and enjoying a much nicer driving experience.
KingGary said:
JAMSXR said:
Muzzer79 said:
One of the main benefits for me in getting back into an EV is the convenience of not having to find and then stop at sodding petrol stations, pumping fuel in the cold and rain and being charged through the nose for the pleasure.
The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
This, the EV in our household is easily the most convenient. I spent 6 hours driving it today, requiring a 10 min top up while I took a piss and grabbed a sandwich. Would have been more hassle filling up our ICE. Cost in the ICE would have been £40 VS £8 (including £5 spent on a public charger). The ease and convenience of just reversing on the drive and spending 20 seconds plugging it in is enormous.
LowTread said:
I know this is falling in deaf ears though. People have made their mind up. Shame. I was anti-EV for a long time.
Sadly true - 99% of the people who have made their minds up have never owned one. Despite all the myths being busted (tyres, brakes, range etc). ICE owners also assume that 'refuelling' is the same process - ie drive to empty, fill to 100%. Which you never do.I was anti EV when they first came out, a good mate (who is on here) who is still a serial Ferrari, Aston and Range Rover driver was a very early adopter and I used to pull his leg all the time about having an EV. I was wrong.
I'm about to drive a 4 hour return run into London for lunch and will take the obvious car for it - the Tesla.
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