EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
GT9 said:
FiF said:
Right on cue various sections of the reach around club pile on with arsey posts that add nothing other than attempts to belittle others. Doesn't help your case. Behave.
Nice of you to join in then, with your own arse-related post attempting to belittle others...
tty posts either. Clearly not appreciative of home truths are you Mr " I'm just interested in the drivetrain engineering."
BricktopST205 said:
My mother lives 1300 miles away in Europe. I can do the trip in 20 hours with just 1 stop on the continent in Germany to fill up fuel. I leave England early in the morning and just about get there before the sun goes down in summer 
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Been doing it for nearly 10 years now.
What kind of range do you get when you are doing 140kph on the motorway?
So, just to be clear, you drive 1300 miles in 20 hours with just one break? That's nearly 70mph average speed.. Been doing it for nearly 10 years now.
What kind of range do you get when you are doing 140kph on the motorway?
Edited by BricktopST205 on Saturday 4th May 14:03
Wow.
Would it not be safer/cheaper to just use a plane?
CheesecakeRunner said:
FiF said:
just rude.
I know. I’m tired of a generation of people having no regard for anyone younger than them who will actually have to live with the issues they’ve caused. Big Nanas said:
So, just to be clear, you drive 1300 miles in 20 hours with just one break? That's nearly 70mph average speed.
Wow.
Would it not be safer/cheaper to just use a plane?
2 adults, 2 kids, dog. About 500 quid in fuel and 200ish on the tunnel. Not any difference really. Missus does first half and I do second. Wow.
Would it not be safer/cheaper to just use a plane?
Cost isn't much different once you factor in car rental costs at the other end. Plus plane tickets since COVID have become nuts.
Merc 450 said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
FiF said:
just rude.
I know. I’m tired of a generation of people having no regard for anyone younger than them who will actually have to live with the issues they’ve caused. Just to keep on topic: I quite like EVs and may get one soon.
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
M4cruiser said:
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
What percentage of EVs have a "worn out" battery at 3 years old? Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
BricktopST205 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Stopping at a French motorway services (don’t need petrol yet but I do need a break, what’s that about cars with a 600 mile range…) there are banks of chargers with plenty free and. with speeds up to 300 kW and they have a digital sign displaying the prices just as you find for petrol.
The price is 0.57 euros per kWh, a lot cheaper than petrol Thats what we need in the UK, competitive pricing for public fast chargers .
Its simply not a problem as the infrastructure improves.
My mother lives 1300 miles away in Europe. I can do the trip in 20 hours with just 1 stop on the continent in Germany to fill up fuel. I leave England early in the morning and just about get there before the sun goes down in summer The price is 0.57 euros per kWh, a lot cheaper than petrol Thats what we need in the UK, competitive pricing for public fast chargers .
Its simply not a problem as the infrastructure improves.
. Been doing it for nearly 10 years now.
What kind of range do you get when you are doing 140kph on the motorway?
Edited by BricktopST205 on Saturday 4th May 14:03
I simply couldn’t fathom driving for 10 hours without a break, 2-3 is my safe limit from boredom
M4cruiser said:
Reading this thread, I've concluded there are two types of potential EV buyers, and the different views of these two types are causing all the "arguments" if I can use that word.
Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
Random risks exist with used petrol cars and huge bills! Type one: Those who talk with phrases like BIK, PLP, Salary sacrifice, etc, i.e people who don't give a sugar lump if it breaks, or if the battery is worn out in 3 years, because the risk is someone else's.
Then there's type two (like me now) who have spent years perfecting the art of choosing wisely, listening to engines and gearboxes, because we pay for our cars. I don't buy a Land Rover diesel, I don't want a BMW with a chocolate timing chain at the wrong end of the engine, I buy more boring things that work. For us, the thought of ending up with a huge paperweight in the drive (like a Zoe needing £11K for a heater or something) is a worry, because we can't select accordingly, it's just a random risk. For us a used petrol car still makes a lot of sense, and the smooth driving silence is no compensation for a huge bill.
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
MrBogSmith said:
I had no real interest in an EV until I drove one. Now I’d never go back to ICE for daily. That’s saved for fun drives / trips / the weekends.
Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
I was the opposite. Tried loads of EVs and got bored with them after 30 mins. Best of both worlds.
Some weird comments about “renting”. Leasing an electric via a Ltd company is very tax efficient and especially favourable given the brutal deprecation of EVs.
Ended up getting one mainly for Mrs S and it’s great as a city / town car. Still not interested in one as family car.
I don’t really commute anymore though, but when I did I enjoyed taking the long way home when conditions allowed or I was in the mood for some fast road driving. Can’t see that happening with the current crop of EVs.
Looking forward to stuff like the new Renault 5 EV. Hopefully that’ll create some interest in EVs that are fun to drive / more focussed.
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