EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
griffter said:
nickfrog said:
Muzzer79 said:
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
We will probably never have the answer to that but I can guarantee it won't stop.I read this daily and find it very informative. At the moment I neither want nor dislike EVs. I’m intrigued by them, but I can’t afford to buy one, I can’t access a purchasing scheme to get one through work or through salary sacrifice or whatever, but in a way I wish they were a feasible option because I probably fit the best case use case very well.
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BricktopST205 said:
cj2013 said:
The biggest fallacy with 'affording' one is that people think anyone spends £30k, £40k, £50k on a car - they don't. For the most part, it's the same principle across the board, where it's a monthly amount towards a lease/PCP/loan.
The affordability often comes into the fact that it can almost pay for itself by the savings. For example, I've had a 50mpg+- diesel for ages that would cost £27 to do around 200 miles. I only do around 500 miles per month to work and back, but that's still around £70 per month, plus (currently) the VED, meaning £100 per month. An EV on a standard home tariff (not a special one) for me will work out at around 5p/mile, so that same mileage is at most £25 cost per month (but closer to £20 so far). This means I've magicked £75 out of the air to pay towards said vehicle. It also doesn't need servicing that I'd do myself but would still cost, so over a year all that can be absorbed too.
Unless someone's rolling around in the shed category, or can barely afford a car at all, or has an awful credit rating, the affordability one is actually not deserving of the rate in which it gets mentioned. They current cost less than ICE cars of the equivalent year on the 2nd hand market.
Early in the year you had ORA funky cats that were £200 a month 0 deposit. They are great Value for someone who basically just needs a car. We can both charge for free from work so essentially we would have a brand new car for £2400 a year. It became a serious thought.The affordability often comes into the fact that it can almost pay for itself by the savings. For example, I've had a 50mpg+- diesel for ages that would cost £27 to do around 200 miles. I only do around 500 miles per month to work and back, but that's still around £70 per month, plus (currently) the VED, meaning £100 per month. An EV on a standard home tariff (not a special one) for me will work out at around 5p/mile, so that same mileage is at most £25 cost per month (but closer to £20 so far). This means I've magicked £75 out of the air to pay towards said vehicle. It also doesn't need servicing that I'd do myself but would still cost, so over a year all that can be absorbed too.
Unless someone's rolling around in the shed category, or can barely afford a car at all, or has an awful credit rating, the affordability one is actually not deserving of the rate in which it gets mentioned. They current cost less than ICE cars of the equivalent year on the 2nd hand market.
We do 7000 miles a year in commute costs between us which is about £1000 a year on fuel for two people. Add M.O.T, tax and servicing and you are around £1800. It would still cost me £600 a year more to run the EV even with free charging and that is a proper poverty spec thing. The ORA was also coming back £300 more expensive on insurance as well. Yes i know my car is an old banger but it is reliable, we have had it for 15 years, everything still works on it and is a perfect commutable hack keeping mileage off our nicer cars.
I understand I am entirely the wrong demographic here considering I can rip an engine out and dismantle it with my eyes closed so keeping an older car running is very easy for me.
Edited by BricktopST205 on Friday 3rd May 09:44
I'm struggling a bit now given the recent heavier depreciation on EVs, and nearing the end of my second PCP I don't have any equity this time, so I'm considering my options. But for the last 7 years it's saved me so much money I don't really care. I got in at the right time, and the financial benefits of EV ownership have dropped off a bit since then. But I still want another EV to replace the Leaf, or I'll just pay the final payment and keep this one as a local runabout.
And yes, I know a £500 banger would have been cheaper overall. I don't want a £500 banger, I want a car I know will start every day and never be in the garage for repairs, I haven't got time to bugger about, and I'm willing to pay for that assurance.
Edited by CivicDuties on Friday 3rd May 10:29
BricktopST205 said:
Early in the year you had ORA funky cats that were £200 a month 0 deposit. They are great Value for someone who basically just needs a car. We can both charge for free from work so essentially we would have a brand new car for £2400 a year. It became a serious thought.
We do 7000 miles a year in commute costs between us which is about £1000 a year on fuel for two people. Add M.O.T, tax and servicing and you are around £1800. It would still cost me £600 a year more to run the EV even with free charging and that is a proper poverty spec thing. The ORA was also coming back £300 more expensive on insurance as well. Yes i know my car is an old banger but it is reliable, we have had it for 15 years, everything still works on it and is a perfect commutable hack keeping mileage off our nicer cars.
I understand I am entirely the wrong demographic here considering I can rip an engine out and dismantle it with my eyes closed so keeping an older car running is very easy for me.
Err, you are saying that running an old cheap car is less expensive for a DIY mechanic than running a brand new car. We do 7000 miles a year in commute costs between us which is about £1000 a year on fuel for two people. Add M.O.T, tax and servicing and you are around £1800. It would still cost me £600 a year more to run the EV even with free charging and that is a proper poverty spec thing. The ORA was also coming back £300 more expensive on insurance as well. Yes i know my car is an old banger but it is reliable, we have had it for 15 years, everything still works on it and is a perfect commutable hack keeping mileage off our nicer cars.
I understand I am entirely the wrong demographic here considering I can rip an engine out and dismantle it with my eyes closed so keeping an older car running is very easy for me.
No s
t, Sherlock! 
That has nothing to do with EVs. Your Ora example above should be compared to buying a similar new petrol car. You're not the wrong demographic - you have literally just shown how an EV could fit very well into your household. Your 'issue' is that you don't want to buy a brand new car, it's not that EVs are unviable, or exclusively expensive.
BricktopST205 said:
We do 7000 miles a year in commute costs between us which is about £1000 a year on fuel for two people. Add M.O.T, tax and servicing and you are around £1800. It would still cost me £600 a year more to run the EV even with free charging and that is a proper poverty spec thing.
TBF I don't think the Ora 041/funkywhateveritiscallednow is poverty spec - it's just an unfamiliar brand. The reports and reviews are all pretty good - it's just not a size/shape that is sufficient for where the demand is.Regardless, if in your case you have perhaps a couple of 50mpg diesels with £30/year tax, the argument wasn't that getting an EV on PCP/Lease is cheaper than owning an ICE car - it was more the point that people regularly say they "can't afford a £??k car", when you actually don't need to afford that money. The alternative point, in many cases, is that it ignores the fact that it's £28k+ for a Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 Petrol these days off the forecourt, so anyone who "can't afford an EV" is equally in the same camp as someone who "can't afford a car" anyway in the current climate.
In your case, an extra £600/year (or £50 per month) is kind of proving the point that the savings can be sufficient to bridge that gap. In the case of something new, with warranty (like said Ora), you're also removing all liability for failure/repairs too, which can be somewhat uncapped in an older ICE car (be it timing belts, clutches, general engine failure, DPFs & EGRs etc), which means the £600 can also be easily bridged by a dose of misfortune.
FiF said:
Ref the false argument presented that "The biggest fallacy with 'affording' one is that people think anyone spends £30k, £40k, £50k on a car - they don't." Some people do. Equally some people do use lease / PCP where they could easily drop £50k, £60k, whatever upwards on a purchase. It's a complicated decision that varies for everyone individually.
Yep, people 100% do spend that sort of money on a car, I'm one of them. I spent £30k+ of my own money on a car.It's down to the situation that an individual person finds themselves in.
The problem I have with brand new ICE vs EV is that prices are all over the place. Take for example, a Peugeot 308 vs E-308. On a four year PCP I worked out the EV would cost £4k more to run. But, if you compare a BMW M440i vs a BMW i4 eDrive40 the EV is £7k cheaper over the four year. I picked the M440i vs the eDrive40 as they're similar in power and that's probably what I'd consider.
Whilst I'm positive towards EV, if I were the type of person that was in the market for a Peugeot 308 on PCP, then I'd likely choose the Petrol/Hybrid version purely based on the cost of ownership. I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers do this on purpose because whilst they have a lower sales cost, they make more profit from an ICE than they do an EV and during this transition period they want to milk as much profit out of ICE as possible. It's a sensible approach if I'm honest.
braddo said:
FiF said:
braddo said:
FiF said:
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Because it is an extremely rare type of regular trip.A top-up charge of 10-15 mins on the way home would make it viable for many EVs today. Not that you need to buy an EV today. In 5-10 years' time there will be loads of choice of EVs that can do 240 miles comfortably. It simply isn't a big deal.
It was in response to someone who was banging the drum that the thread was populated by people who drive 400 or 500 miles at a stretch.
Then deflected onto 240 mile round trip to London and why would you want to do that twice in a day.
Which is just more of the repetitive bad faith strawman arguments seen every other page. To be fair such arguments emanate from both sides on this.
The example which you want to dismiss was simply to show that a practical real life example affected by other issues meant that there isn't currently a choice available. There may well be in future. Other issues such as whilst there might be a vehicle that can do the trip, ok with an unwelcome splash and dash top up late at night after a difficult week away, the need for something that can also fulfill other very different work and family duties really complicates matters. That was the point, it's got bugger all to do with wanting to drive 400+ miles in one go which as stated is simply a bad faith strawman.
romft123 said:
Weirdly enough, it is appreciating in value according to their price edit historyThat's the kind of thing I'd jump at it if it was local - if not just for the pure novelty of the project.
That garage is opposite an old people's home, so I wonder if there's a correlation
FiF said:
You're missing the basic point of this sub thread.
It was in response to someone who was banging the drum that the thread was populated by people who drive 400 or 500 miles at a stretch.
Then deflected onto 240 mile round trip to London and why would you want to do that twice in a day.
Which is just more of the repetitive bad faith strawman arguments seen every other page. To be fair such arguments emanate from both sides on this.
The example which you want to dismiss was simply to show that a practical real life example affected by other issues meant that there isn't currently a choice available. There may well be in future. Other issues such as whilst there might be a vehicle that can do the trip, ok with an unwelcome splash and dash top up late at night after a difficult week away, the need for something that can also fulfill other very different work and family duties really complicates matters. That was the point, it's got bugger all to do with wanting to drive 400+ miles in one go which as stated is simply a bad faith strawman.
You're absolutely right, EV's currently don't meet the needs of every driver in the UK. 10 Years ago they met the needs of a really small subset of drivers, today that percentage is larger, but it's a long way off meeting everyones needs. I don't think many people on team EV will argue that.It was in response to someone who was banging the drum that the thread was populated by people who drive 400 or 500 miles at a stretch.
Then deflected onto 240 mile round trip to London and why would you want to do that twice in a day.
Which is just more of the repetitive bad faith strawman arguments seen every other page. To be fair such arguments emanate from both sides on this.
The example which you want to dismiss was simply to show that a practical real life example affected by other issues meant that there isn't currently a choice available. There may well be in future. Other issues such as whilst there might be a vehicle that can do the trip, ok with an unwelcome splash and dash top up late at night after a difficult week away, the need for something that can also fulfill other very different work and family duties really complicates matters. That was the point, it's got bugger all to do with wanting to drive 400+ miles in one go which as stated is simply a bad faith strawman.
If Dave from Bedford wants to drive to Scotland without stopping and that's important to him, then an EV might not work for him. But, I'd at least expect Dave to constructively look at an EV as an alternative and then make his decision based on his preference rather than relying on what people say down the pub, or what he reads in the papers. If then, he decided he wants to make that journey in an ICE powered vehicle, then so be it, that's his choice.
On the flip side, EV owners should appreciate the individual needs of others, put across a balanced view to help them make their own decision.
TheBinarySheep said:
You're absolutely right, EV's currently don't meet the needs of every driver in the UK. 10 Years ago they met the needs of a really small subset of drivers, today that percentage is larger, but it's a long way off meeting everyones needs. I don't think many people on team EV will argue that.
Thats EXACTLY what plenty on this thread ARE arguing.TheBinarySheep said:
Yep, people 100% do spend that sort of money on a car, I'm one of them. I spent £30k+ of my own money on a car.
It's down to the situation that an individual person finds themselves in.
The problem I have with brand new ICE vs EV is that prices are all over the place. Take for example, a Peugeot 308 vs E-308. On a four year PCP I worked out the EV would cost £4k more to run. But, if you compare a BMW M440i vs a BMW i4 eDrive40 the EV is £7k cheaper over the four year. I picked the M440i vs the eDrive40 as they're similar in power and that's probably what I'd consider.
Whilst I'm positive towards EV, if I were the type of person that was in the market for a Peugeot 308 on PCP, then I'd likely choose the Petrol/Hybrid version purely based on the cost of ownership. I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers do this on purpose because whilst they have a lower sales cost, they make more profit from an ICE than they do an EV and during this transition period they want to milk as much profit out of ICE as possible. It's a sensible approach if I'm honest.
I think the real question here, is who in their right mind would buy a Peugeot 308 of any propulsion type. On purpose! It's down to the situation that an individual person finds themselves in.
The problem I have with brand new ICE vs EV is that prices are all over the place. Take for example, a Peugeot 308 vs E-308. On a four year PCP I worked out the EV would cost £4k more to run. But, if you compare a BMW M440i vs a BMW i4 eDrive40 the EV is £7k cheaper over the four year. I picked the M440i vs the eDrive40 as they're similar in power and that's probably what I'd consider.
Whilst I'm positive towards EV, if I were the type of person that was in the market for a Peugeot 308 on PCP, then I'd likely choose the Petrol/Hybrid version purely based on the cost of ownership. I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers do this on purpose because whilst they have a lower sales cost, they make more profit from an ICE than they do an EV and during this transition period they want to milk as much profit out of ICE as possible. It's a sensible approach if I'm honest.
griffter said:
Because this is a thread in a car buying forum on a motoring website called “EVs…nobody wants them”.
I read this daily and find it very informative. At the moment I neither want nor dislike EVs. I’m intrigued by them, but I can’t afford to buy one, I can’t access a purchasing scheme to get one through work or through salary sacrifice or whatever, but in a way I wish they were a feasible option because I probably fit the best case use case very well.
The thing which strikes me though is the length of the arguments for them and all the assumptions about what people will and won’t tolerate to make the arguments add up in their favour. I find that rather uncompelling. It doesn’t seem to be a simple argument. There are a lot of conditions attached.
If EVs were more affordable I think the argument would be made much more easily for most people. The bottom line is, if they cost too much they make no practical sense at all.
I find myself in the same boat and not yet reached my personal "tipping point"I read this daily and find it very informative. At the moment I neither want nor dislike EVs. I’m intrigued by them, but I can’t afford to buy one, I can’t access a purchasing scheme to get one through work or through salary sacrifice or whatever, but in a way I wish they were a feasible option because I probably fit the best case use case very well.
The thing which strikes me though is the length of the arguments for them and all the assumptions about what people will and won’t tolerate to make the arguments add up in their favour. I find that rather uncompelling. It doesn’t seem to be a simple argument. There are a lot of conditions attached.
If EVs were more affordable I think the argument would be made much more easily for most people. The bottom line is, if they cost too much they make no practical sense at all.
While this thread does seem to contain the extremist elements on both sides in between there are some solid points for/against
Muzzer79 said:
Why does a 400 mile round trip require 2-4 hours of charging?
Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
As I said, I can't charge at home so would either need to charge the night before or factor into my journey time. Most of the real world charging times that I've been given from friends indicate that it takes over an hour to charge.Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
I'm also not slagging EVs off, I'm genuinely interested to know if there was an EV solution that I've not considered. For example, the Polestar article the other day was interesting re fast charge times, however, as a country, we have no where near enough infrastructure or the enthusiasm to build a large enough network of fast chargers to help the transition and I was trying to bring this to life with a real world example.
malucnojes said:
Muzzer79 said:
Why does a 400 mile round trip require 2-4 hours of charging?
Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
As I said, I can't charge at home so would either need to charge the night before or factor into my journey time. Most of the real world charging times that I've been given from friends indicate that it takes over an hour to charge.Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
I'm also not slagging EVs off, I'm genuinely interested to know if there was an EV solution that I've not considered. For example, the Polestar article the other day was interesting re fast charge times, however, as a country, we have no where near enough infrastructure or the enthusiasm to build a large enough network of fast chargers to help the transition and I was trying to bring this to life with a real world example.
I think there needs to be some kind of flow diagram sticky of EV suitability that directs you to either an EV purchase or to stick with ICE
braddo said:
Err, you are saying that running an old cheap car is less expensive for a DIY mechanic than running a brand new car.
No st, Sherlock!
That has nothing to do with EVs. Your Ora example above should be compared to buying a similar new petrol car. You're not the wrong demographic - you have literally just shown how an EV could fit very well into your household. Your 'issue' is that you don't want to buy a brand new car, it's not that EVs are unviable, or exclusively expensive.
I want it to fit very well into my household but it cannot because nothing exists. No s
t, Sherlock! That has nothing to do with EVs. Your Ora example above should be compared to buying a similar new petrol car. You're not the wrong demographic - you have literally just shown how an EV could fit very well into your household. Your 'issue' is that you don't want to buy a brand new car, it's not that EVs are unviable, or exclusively expensive.
I am a 3 car household. 2 kids and a dog.
GR86 is our "fun daily". We use it for commuting and just general duties. 10 year warranty just fill up and drive. Can be used 4 up at a squeeze with our kids but long distance is only good if I am going away to watch some event. I do not want to replace it with an EV because I want something involving and enjoyable to drive. Plus I paid cash so I also want something with good residuals as well.
My weekend car is my Toyota Celica GT-Four. Pure fun car, goes to events, track days, sunday jaunts to the sea side etc. Far too focused for anything else.
My family car needs to be large estate sized and with a good range of 300+ miles real world minimum. Our location means days out require us to do that mileage. It also needs to be able to tow 1800KG minimum.
MG5 and Porche Taycan Sport Turismo are both my only real options for my needs. The MG5 doesn't have the range and the Taycan is well out of my budget and even if it was in my budget I much rather have a 911 in my stable to replace my GR86 so I end up going around in circles. I just couldn't stomach the depreciation of a Taycan.
I could have quite easily used the ORA as a 4th car but I would have to keep my estate taxed, tested and insured for the times we needed it to go on long family journeys so in the end it really was a complete waste of money on my behalf.
Muzzer79 said:
Why does a 400 mile round trip require 2-4 hours of charging?
Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
I go to watch BTCC at brands hatch with a friend. We leave early at half 5 to get there in a decent time. The return trip is 300+ miles. We get there park up in a field with zero charging. Spend the whole day there. Leave about 7pm to get back to go to bed for work the next day. The last thing I want to be doing is stopping on the way home and charging. I just want to crack on for 2 and half hours and get home. Fully charge car before you leave
Go to football, optional charge on the way. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Return from football, optional charge on the way back. Depends on the car but this could be 30 minutes or even less
Arrive home
Your 400 mile journey could just mean a 30 minute stop.
Besides (and this is the crux of the EV argument) if you don't want to do it - that's fine.
It doesn't however mean that EVs are obsolete, unviable or don't make sense for everyone.
I could make as many arguments for reduced costs and better driving experience as you could for more character, wider bodystyle choice and convenience of refueling.
If an EV works for you - great, buy one. If it doesn't work for you - unlucky, don't buy one.
I just don't see the point in going on a forum and arguing why an EV doesn't suit your individual needs.
As per previous posts, I don't go on Caterham forums arguing that Caterhams are useless for my lifestyle, so I'm not sure why it's the case with EVs?
This thread title is about why no one is buying EV's and when posters say why they are not they just get lambasted instead of acknowledging that they might be valid points! Otherwise EV's would be selling like hot cakes and not needing to be incentivised by government tax breaks!
Muzzer79 said:
As previously stated, if you can't charge at home, I wouldn't buy an EV.
I think there needs to be some kind of flow diagram sticky of EV suitability that directs you to either an EV purchase or to stick with ICE
Not that simple though - someone could buy a Tesla and have plenty of infrastructure based on their location etc.I think there needs to be some kind of flow diagram sticky of EV suitability that directs you to either an EV purchase or to stick with ICE
EVs are no different to ICE that they don't all suit one person. Someone with enough of a laid back attitude could buy a pre-2015ish Model S with free supercharging and never need to worry about electric costs or having a charger at home, if they had a supercharger locally/near their commute. Granted, they'd eventually have other stuff to worry about when the drivetrain warranties time out this year, but when such people are doing 500 miles twice a day, the savings would pile up
cj2013 said:
Not that simple though - someone could buy a Tesla and have plenty of infrastructure based on their location etc.
EVs are no different to ICE that they don't all suit one person. Someone with enough of a laid back attitude could buy a pre-2015ish Model S with free supercharging and never need to worry about electric costs or having a charger at home, if they had a supercharger locally/near their commute. Granted, they'd eventually have other stuff to worry about when the drivetrain warranties time out this year, but when such people are doing 500 miles twice a day, the savings would pile up
What if they don't like Teslas? Would you buy a car that you don't like? It's the biggest payment you make other than buying a house.EVs are no different to ICE that they don't all suit one person. Someone with enough of a laid back attitude could buy a pre-2015ish Model S with free supercharging and never need to worry about electric costs or having a charger at home, if they had a supercharger locally/near their commute. Granted, they'd eventually have other stuff to worry about when the drivetrain warranties time out this year, but when such people are doing 500 miles twice a day, the savings would pile up
So yes there's an option but telling people that's their only choice isn't going to sell. There needs to be a decent amount of choices like now with the ability to super duper rapid charge like Teslas do.
Ankh87 said:
What if they don't like Teslas? Would you buy a car that you don't like? It's the biggest payment you make other than buying a house.
So yes there's an option but telling people that's their only choice isn't going to sell. There needs to be a decent amount of choices like now with the ability to super duper rapid charge like Teslas do.
No one has said that. The arguments are always things like "I can't get an EV because... no home charger, not enough range, public chargers too expensive, don't have £40k for one"So yes there's an option but telling people that's their only choice isn't going to sell. There needs to be a decent amount of choices like now with the ability to super duper rapid charge like Teslas do.
I'm simply pointing out that there's a solution for almost all of those reasons. If someone wants to be honest and say they don't like them, then that's fine - it's the poor logic behind the loudest arguments that causes the contention, because the excuses have solutions.
Ankh87 said:
It's the biggest payment you make other than buying a house.
It isn't. My student loan cost me more per month and in total than a Tesla.Childcare costs significantly more.
etc.
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