EVs... no one wants them!

[anonymous-user]

Seasonal Hero said:

wormus said:

I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.

There is literally no-one here telling you you can't have the car you do. I don't give a st what you drive - so it puzzles me that you care about what I or others do (for the record both ICE and EV). Also noted how you highlighted the part you felt that could safely reply to whilst ignoring the rest because they don't suit your tedious narrative.

In the meantime keep pointing out utterly irrelevant things like 'but I can't drive across America'.

I ignored the rest of your response because I thought it was irrelevant and uninteresting. My point about driving across continents was since the 1990s cars have been developed for global use, not by local markets so what might work for Colin, the EV-driving junior manager, living in Milton Keynes, won’t work work for Bruce who’s planning a trip across Adelaide. Hence my reference to a sample of one being pointless.

[Seasonal Hero]

And your experience of zero even more so.

You chose to not reply because you had no reply.

[JustGetATesla]

TheRainMaker said:

That has nothing to do with the question

It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.

I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.

There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.

[TheRainMaker]

Seasonal Hero said:

TheRainMaker said:

You said they don't say it. I have shown you they do.

What you did was link to the American website, which isn't really relevant here in the UK.

Apologies if you are in the US.

[Seasonal Hero]

TheRainMaker said:

What you did was link to the American website, which isn't really relevant here in the UK.

Apologies if you are in the US.

I'm not. So fair point.

From the UK site:

Charging speeds vary slightly by model.

Vehicle Supercharge Speed

Model S Up to 200 miles in 15 minutes
Model 3 Up to 171 miles in 15 minutes
Model X Up to 175 miles in 15 minutes
Model Y Up to 150 miles in 15 minutes

[tupak798]

Adding to my list of reasons not to buy an EV would be being associated with some of the posters in here. Some seriously abrasive personalities to say the least.

[TheRainMaker]

JustGetATesla said:

TheRainMaker said:

That has nothing to do with the question

It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.

I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.

There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.

It has nothing to do with the question, I asked what car he had that did 300+ in the winter.

You just went off in a rant about not needing to drive 300 miles without stopping

Edited by TheRainMaker on Wednesday 27th March 13:25

[Seasonal Hero]

tupak798 said:

Adding to my list of reasons not to buy an EV would be being associated with some of the posters in here. Some seriously abrasive personalities to say the least.

On what planet would you be associated with anyone? Would you drive with a list of usernames on the car?

[anonymous-user]

Seasonal Hero said:

You chose to not reply because you had no reply.

What was your point ? I’ll take another look.

[GT9]

tupak798 said:

Adding to my list of reasons not to buy an EV would be being associated with some of the posters in here. Some seriously abrasive personalities to say the least.

Some of the nicest people I know use Fox News and the Daily Mail as their source for balanced, informed, inclusive content.
Not.

[DoctorX]

JustGetATesla said:

It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.

I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.

There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.

As someone who really quite fancies following your lead but cannot charge at home, a long range would be a absolutely a requirement (albeit not for non-stop driving) such that I don't have to spend much time in dingy multistories like in your recent video Enjoyable video, by the way, cracking scenery.

[Dave200]

TheRainMaker said:

JustGetATesla said:

TheRainMaker said:

That has nothing to do with the question

It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.

I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.

There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.

It has nothing to do with the question, I asked what car he had that did 300+ in the winter.

You just went off in a rant about not needing to drive 300 miles without stopping

Edited by TheRainMaker on Wednesday 27th March 13:25

I didn't mention the winter specifically. But the journey I did the other night, which would have given me a total range of >300 miles was at between 5 and 7 degrees according to the dashboard. I just drive it like I do any other car. Stick cruise on for motorway sections, and have it keep up with the outside lane at 75-80. It just works.

[Seasonal Hero]

wormus said:

What was your point ? I’ll take another look.

Wasted on you, clearly. Don't worry about it, I'm not.

[craigjm]

tupak798 said:

Adding to my list of reasons not to buy an EV would be being associated with some of the posters in here. Some seriously abrasive personalities to say the least.

Seems to be prevalent at the extremes on both sides of the argument with the extreme anti EV lot behaving like they are being told to murder their first born, The debate has just become the next Brexit / covid / latest thought debate.

[otolith]

craigjm said:

Seems to be prevalent at the extremes on both sides of the argument with the extreme anti EV lot behaving like they are being told to murder their first born, The debate has just become the next Brexit / covid / latest thought debate.

It's been successfully dragged into the culture wars.

[Dave200]

otolith said:

craigjm said:

Seems to be prevalent at the extremes on both sides of the argument with the extreme anti EV lot behaving like they are being told to murder their first born, The debate has just become the next Brexit / covid / latest thought debate.

It's been successfully dragged into the culture wars.

Seemingly with the support of people like the sensationalist youtube guy who was posted a few pages ago. His comment section read like a bunch of people who were out there looking for opinions to reinforce their own.

[Seasonal Hero]

Whilst at the same time telling people who've been running EV's for years how wrong they are.

[heebeegeetee]

rowley birkin said:

Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.

Noo, there has to another letter for those who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's but can be found on EV threads anyway.

We also need a subgroup for those who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's but can be found on EV threads anyway to tell those who are happy with the EVs they've owned and ran that they don't know what they're talking about.

[Ankh87]

I recently watched a video where a YouTuber goes to see an EV mechanic to bust some myths about EVs. I think the video is rather old itself but it popped up on my feed.

They asked about battery life etc, which left me with more questions.

The EV mechanic said that you should really keep the car between 20-80% and try not to allow the car to charge either from below 20% or all the way up to 100% because that has an effect with the battery deg. So to me that means you actually only have 60% of the range available because you'll damage the battery which seems a bit daft. He said to look at it like red lining a car, it will damage the engine. OK I get that but the battery isn't the motor only is it? It is also the "tank" and "fuel" supply of the vehicle, so why are manufacturers saying an range of say 300 miles when it is only really 60% of that?

I know with ICE cars MPG is a load of tosh with what they all claim but the main thing is that it's not overly promoted unless it was/is an eco car as such. EVs also will only ever get that max range if the battery is at 100% health. As stated by the EV mechanic that ceiling drops each time you charge up to 100% or use a super duper charger.


He also stated that manufacturers offer long warranties on EVs because there's less parts to go wrong, which is awesome for us all. My question about that is surely this will change because the manufacturers will want people to buy their new car won't they? Come 2035 if battery deg is minimal and everything is pretty much as reliable as paying taxes, then manufacturers aren't going to want people driving around in the car they bought 5 years ago and still using it 10 years more. Going off the Telsa that AutoAlex bought, that car is practically say 4-6 owners mileage.


I'm thinking that at some point the reliability bubble will end and things will start to "break" and force people to buy a newer EV.

I can't see myself going full EV as it doesn't fit my needs but for my partner it would be OK as long as we get a charger installed.

[Dave200]

Ankh87 said:

I recently watched a video where a YouTuber goes to see an EV mechanic to bust some myths about EVs. I think the video is rather old itself but it popped up on my feed.

They asked about battery life etc, which left me with more questions.

The EV mechanic said that you should really keep the car between 20-80% and try not to allow the car to charge either from below 20% or all the way up to 100% because that has an effect with the battery deg. So to me that means you actually only have 60% of the range available because you'll damage the battery which seems a bit daft. He said to look at it like red lining a car, it will damage the engine. OK I get that but the battery isn't the motor only is it? It is also the "tank" and "fuel" supply of the vehicle, so why are manufacturers saying an range of say 300 miles when it is only really 60% of that?

I know with ICE cars MPG is a load of tosh with what they all claim but the main thing is that it's not overly promoted unless it was/is an eco car as such. EVs also will only ever get that max range if the battery is at 100% health. As stated by the EV mechanic that ceiling drops each time you charge up to 100% or use a super duper charger.


He also stated that manufacturers offer long warranties on EVs because there's less parts to go wrong, which is awesome for us all. My question about that is surely this will change because the manufacturers will want people to buy their new car won't they? Come 2035 if battery deg is minimal and everything is pretty much as reliable as paying taxes, then manufacturers aren't going to want people driving around in the car they bought 5 years ago and still using it 10 years more. Going off the Telsa that AutoAlex bought, that car is practically say 4-6 owners mileage.


I'm thinking that at some point the reliability bubble will end and things will start to "break" and force people to buy a newer EV.

I can't see myself going full EV as it doesn't fit my needs but for my partner it would be OK as long as we get a charger installed.

Every time mine has been plugged in at home, it's been charged to 100%. I took the view that as it's on finance and we'll be returning it in a couple of years the long term battery health is less important to me than the usable range in the time I own it. I can't say that I've noticed any drop in range over the 15,000 miles I've used it for, taking it up to 25,000 total (bought used). It's entirely possible that this might drop off a cliff later in life, but it certainly hasn't just yet. 340 miles displayed range is entirely possible with careful driving and 300+ is a regular occurrence.

I'm sure someone posted up a graph of self-reported Tesla owners showing battery degradation over time. I seem to remember 7% at 100,000 miles being the figure that stuck in my head. Not the end of the world.