EVs... no one wants them!

[TheBinarySheep]

I charge my Tesla to 80% as that's what it recommends for daily charging. I plug in every night and rarely need 100%.

When I'm doing a longer drive, charge to 100%.

Mine isn't on lease or anything, so it's in my best interested to look after the battery.

[Essarell]

Seasonal Hero said:

And yet every single time you get into any car you may be ‘stranded’.

None of the people I know with EV’s have ever been stranded. Are you seeing lots of them on your 500 mile drives with 7 adults, a trailer and a roof box?

never been stranded, well admittedly not since the battery died on my Capri in 1989, my last 3 work vehicles from 2014 covered, 190K, then 190K and this ones 19 months old with 56K on it, there isn't one EV on the market that I could swap the keys for today that would meet my daily needs. My vehicles need to carry a decent payload, tow (admittedly rarely) be suitable for accessing rough roads like farm tracks, spend hours on remote sites as a mobile office with the ability to respond to an outage literally anywhere in the country at the ping of an email.

To me its irrelevant if a floorpans worth of electrons costs the sum total of 30p compared to circa £100 for a tank of diesel, the customer has to pay or its quite literally lights (still) out.

[Dave200]

Essarell said:

Seasonal Hero said:

And yet every single time you get into any car you may be ‘stranded’.

None of the people I know with EV’s have ever been stranded. Are you seeing lots of them on your 500 mile drives with 7 adults, a trailer and a roof box?

never been stranded, well admittedly not since the battery died on my Capri in 1989, my last 3 work vehicles from 2014 covered, 190K, then 190K and this ones 19 months old with 56K on it, there isn't one EV on the market that I could swap the keys for today that would meet my daily needs. My vehicles need to carry a decent payload, tow (admittedly rarely) be suitable for accessing rough roads like farm tracks, spend hours on remote sites as a mobile office with the ability to respond to an outage literally anywhere in the country at the ping of an email.

To me its irrelevant if a floorpans worth of electrons costs the sum total of 30p compared to circa £100 for a tank of diesel, the customer has to pay or its quite literally lights (still) out.

Yeah yours sounds like a bad usecase for an EV right now. I wouldn't worry too much about EVs as you'll still be able to buy cars that meet your needs for a long time to come.

[Seasonal Hero]

Essarell said:

never been stranded, well admittedly not since the battery died on my Capri in 1989, my last 3 work vehicles from 2014 covered, 190K, then 190K and this ones 19 months old with 56K on it, there isn't one EV on the market that I could swap the keys for today that would meet my daily needs. My vehicles need to carry a decent payload, tow (admittedly rarely) be suitable for accessing rough roads like farm tracks, spend hours on remote sites as a mobile office with the ability to respond to an outage literally anywhere in the country at the ping of an email.

To me its irrelevant if a floorpans worth of electrons costs the sum total of 30p compared to circa £100 for a tank of diesel, the customer has to pay or its quite literally lights (still) out.

And mine don't. I have never towed a trailer or used a roof box and have been driving since 1987. If my use case was your use case then I'd not run an EV, but it isn't.

See the point I'm making? We all have our own needs. Me telling you an EV is for you is wrong. You telling me I need a an ICE to do the same as you is also wrong.

It's this reason that leaves me baffled as to why people who don't want a particular type of car tell those who do that it's not the right thing.

[RayDonovan]

The rate that Tesla keep installing new Superchargers across the UK is going to make the whole 'running out of charge' argument very old, very quickly.

Asda/EG group have purchased the chargers and are installing their re-branded versions across their forecourt estate too.

The charging just isn't an issue. I'd rather stop for 15 mins on a longer journey once a month and take the benefit of 'topping up' at home, overnight, for next to nothing.

[Ankh87]

Dave200 said:

I guess the measure of "an absolute age" is relative. On a supercharger my car takes about 10-15 minutes to add 150 miles, depending on various factors. Not as quick as a splash and dash, but hardly the end of the world or a dealbreaker.

takes me 3 minutes to add 700 miles, so yes 10-15 minutes is an age to wait for a fraction of that. I guess if you don't mind waiting that time then fair enough.

[limpsfield]

Ankh87 said:

Dave200 said:

I guess the measure of "an absolute age" is relative. On a supercharger my car takes about 10-15 minutes to add 150 miles, depending on various factors. Not as quick as a splash and dash, but hardly the end of the world or a dealbreaker.

takes me 3 minutes to add 700 miles, so yes 10-15 minutes is an age to wait for a fraction of that. I guess if you don't mind waiting that time then fair enough.

I rarely use a supercharger when day to day driving but when I do it is typically on a 250 mile trip I do every couple of months. I leave the house with 100% charge and then stop at Telford off the M54. By then I have usually been driving for around 3.5 hours and 180 miles. Plug in, go to loo, buy coffee, come back - enough miles in to continue to my destination.

It's not like people leave their house and ten minutes later they need a supercharger and have to stop for 15 mins.

[Essarell]

Seasonal Hero said:

Essarell said:

never been stranded, well admittedly not since the battery died on my Capri in 1989, my last 3 work vehicles from 2014 covered, 190K, then 190K and this ones 19 months old with 56K on it, there isn't one EV on the market that I could swap the keys for today that would meet my daily needs. My vehicles need to carry a decent payload, tow (admittedly rarely) be suitable for accessing rough roads like farm tracks, spend hours on remote sites as a mobile office with the ability to respond to an outage literally anywhere in the country at the ping of an email.

To me its irrelevant if a floorpans worth of electrons costs the sum total of 30p compared to circa £100 for a tank of diesel, the customer has to pay or its quite literally lights (still) out.

And mine don't. I have never towed a trailer or used a roof box and have been driving since 1987. If my use case was your use case then I'd not run an EV, but it isn't.

See the point I'm making? We all have our own needs. Me telling you an EV is for you is wrong. You telling me I need a an ICE to do the same as you is also wrong.

It's this reason that leaves me baffled as to why people who don't want a particular type of car tell those who do that it's not the right thing.

don't be baffled, its government policy. They've signed Net Zero into law, were at the top of the slope and about to launch ourselves off. Keir Starmer can't wait to get his hands on the tiller and i fully expect more of the same but greenerer.

[Seasonal Hero]

Right you are

[Ankh87]

limpsfield said:

I rarely use a supercharger when day to day driving but when I do it is typically on a 250 mile trip I do every couple of months. I leave the house with 100% charge and then stop at Telford off the M54. By then I have usually been driving for around 3.5 hours and 180 miles. Plug in, go to loo, buy coffee, come back - enough miles in to continue to my destination.

It's not like people leave their house and ten minutes later they need a supercharger and have to stop for 15 mins.

Yes I fully understand that. In an ideal world people should be charging up at home if you can. Sometimes that is not an option.

For many, charging up at home is not an option so for those having to wait X more amount of time is an absolute age. Yes you can argue that they shouldn't have bought an EV but if they are environmentally conscious then why not.

As for waiting around while you go off to the loo, then that's you. Not everyone needs to use the loo or buys a coffee (at more cost) when they fill up. In fact I can't remember the last time I stopped at a services and did one of those things let alone both. I can drive to my destination within the range of my car and do what needs to be done when I get there.

This is the thing that many people harp on about and think everyone should be doing the same.


I've looked again at getting an EV thinking it might make financial sense and liveable. It still doesn't and because of the charging times for the car I would need. I need decent range and not have to stop half way through my journey. I'm just going to have to wait a while longer.

[Seasonal Hero]

Then move on. It’s not for you.

[Fastlane]

Ankh87 said:

takes me 3 minutes to add 700 miles, so yes 10-15 minutes is an age to wait for a fraction of that. I guess if you don't mind waiting that time then fair enough.

Wow! 700 miles even at 50mpg is 63 litres. Where are you filling up, at an F1 track?

[tupak798]

Seasonal Hero said:

Then move on. It’s not for you.

Not for a lot of people really.

I did consider an EV but the scales are still massively in favour of ICE such that EV only really makes sense at the moment as a 2nd or 3rd car for edge cases.
What I liked about EVs:
Acceleration and speed
Potentially cheaper charging at home (but for how long…?)
What I didn’t:
Range – particularly this time of year, cold conditions, warm conditions

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345044874112

Charging network, broken chargers, non standardized apps, lack of free chargers,
Charging time much longer than refilling with fuel
Charger queues and congestion, e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11579649/...
Weight and handling
Charging in cold conditions
Charging in warm conditions
Tax: Congestion charge exemption ends next year
VED luxury tax payable from next year
Not suitable for longer distances
Battery degradation
High price
Depreciation
Reliability - in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...(Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.)
Fires, Anglesey ban etc
Much higher insurance costs
Soulless white goods
Unsuitable for any kind of towing

[Dave200]

Ankh87 said:

Dave200 said:

I guess the measure of "an absolute age" is relative. On a supercharger my car takes about 10-15 minutes to add 150 miles, depending on various factors. Not as quick as a splash and dash, but hardly the end of the world or a dealbreaker.

takes me 3 minutes to add 700 miles, so yes 10-15 minutes is an age to wait for a fraction of that. I guess if you don't mind waiting that time then fair enough.

If you need to refuel as quickly as possible then an EV isn't for you. I've managed ok by only needing to refuel away from home 15 or so times in 15,000 miles and 2 years. The total time I've spend refueling won't keep me awake at night.

[Dave200]

Seasonal Hero said:

Then move on. It’s not for you.

This thread should be renamed "A small number of people tell the internet why they don't want an EV".

[Dave200]

tupak798 said:

Not for a lot of people really.

I did consider an EV but the scales are still massively in favour of ICE such that EV only really makes sense at the moment as a 2nd or 3rd car for edge cases.
What I liked about EVs:
Acceleration and speed
Potentially cheaper charging at home (but for how long…?)
What I didn’t:
Range – particularly this time of year, cold conditions, warm conditions

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345044874112

Charging network, broken chargers, non standardized apps, lack of free chargers,
Charging time much longer than refilling with fuel
Charger queues and congestion, e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11579649/...
Weight and handling
Charging in cold conditions
Charging in warm conditions
Tax: Congestion charge exemption ends next year
VED luxury tax payable from next year
Not suitable for longer distances
Battery degradation
High price
Depreciation
Reliability - in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...(Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.)
Fires, Anglesey ban etc
Much higher insurance costs
Soulless white goods
Unsuitable for any kind of towing

Any reason why you keep posting the same exact thing across multiple threads?

[Ankh87]

Fastlane said:

Wow! 700 miles even at 50mpg is 63 litres. Where are you filling up, at an F1 track?

I get a minimum of 700 miles to my 70L tank. That's even pushing it a little hard in places. I tend to get to my 70L over 800 miles, to which filling up at any petrol station takes a matter of minutes. On long runs I'm averaging at least 55MPG on the motorways sat at 70mph. I guess that's what happens when you set off early and leave late so you get minimal traffic.

[tupak798]

Dave200 said:

Any reason why you keep posting the same exact thing across multiple threads?

Same reason the pro EV loons seem to keep posting the same nonsense, it seems they have goldfish memories. If people are actually considering buying an EV based on some of their more 'fanciful' statements it is clearly important to keep presenting the truth. All these criticisms remain very valid and explain why very few are buying them, which I understood was the topic of this thread.

[Seasonal Hero]

tupak798 said:

Not for a lot of people really.

I did consider an EV but the scales are still massively in favour of ICE such that EV only really makes sense at the moment as a 2nd or 3rd car for edge cases.
What I liked about EVs:
Acceleration and speed
Potentially cheaper charging at home (but for how long…?)
What I didn’t:
Range – particularly this time of year, cold conditions, warm conditions

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345044874112

Charging network, broken chargers, non standardized apps, lack of free chargers,
Charging time much longer than refilling with fuel
Charger queues and congestion, e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11579649/...
Weight and handling
Charging in cold conditions
Charging in warm conditions
Tax: Congestion charge exemption ends next year
VED luxury tax payable from next year
Not suitable for longer distances
Battery degradation
High price
Depreciation
Reliability - in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...(Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.)
Fires, Anglesey ban etc
Much higher insurance costs
Soulless white goods
Unsuitable for any kind of towing

As already asked, any reason why you must post the same thing over and over?

Mind you, Fox News and the Mail is telling.

[tupak798]

Seasonal Hero said:

Mind you, Fox News and the Mail is telling.

Well I would post Guardian links but they seem to like sweeping any negative EV stories into the ether.