EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
Anyway, as far as I’m aware most people do care. It’s only recently we’ve had a choice, and rushing out and buying an EV doesn’t make it all better. Needs must and ICE has been a vital tool for a good few generations, why would people have contempt for it.
Edited by JAMSXR on Friday 29th March 22:28
I practice bangernomics. My most recent purchase was a 1997 K11 Micra, bought unseen online, for £450. Fitted 1.3 engine, Webers etc, huge fun and puts a smile on my face every time. EVs will kill off that cheapskate approach to motoring. The batteries are snookered after a few years; and EV motoring will become just another dreary bourgeois exercise in white goods upmanship. Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. Most big fast heavy modern turbo ICE exec cars are dull to drive already, and big fast heavy EVs are merely a continuation of that boring trend. I'll happily get an EV for family duties once the range stops being a fraudulent joke, but i'm not about to confuse effortless speed with interactive fun.
MF35 said:
I practice bangernomics. My most recent purchase was a 1997 K11 Micra, bought unseen online, for £450. Fitted 1.3 engine, Webers etc, huge fun and puts a smile on my face every time. EVs will kill off that cheapskate approach to motoring. The batteries are snookered after a few years; and EV motoring will become just another dreary bourgeois exercise in white goods upmanship. Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. Most big fast heavy modern turbo ICE exec cars are dull to drive already, and big fast heavy EVs are merely a continuation of that boring trend. I'll happily get an EV for family duties once the range stops being a fraudulent joke, but i'm not about to confuse effortless speed with interactive fun.
I suspect my Tesla is a lot more enjoyable to drive than a knackered old Micra.Seasonal Hero said:
Can anyone imagine a world where people like different things to other people?
I don't know, can you?Seasonal Hero said:
Yeah but it’s got a 1.3 with Webers and anyone who drives anything any power or torque knows nothing about driving.
I guess not.EV fanboys are by far and way the biggest joykillers of automotive culture.
RayDonovan said:
Comparing a 17 year old shed to modern day EVs really is stretching it. 
A Micra ffs..
QED.A Micra ffs..
An EV is a car minus the things I like most about driving. I'd much rather hack a carb'd Micra down a B-road than some fat, numb, silent EV where you just sit there with nothing to do or think about.
I really don't understand why the EV fanboy contingent seem so intent on trying to convert people to their personal idea of fun. It's like having someone get really pissy with you because you don't care how much memory their new laptop's got.
The people you need to convert are the school run mums and photocopier salesmen who think the cars won't work for them. Rather than trying desperately to tell everyone that everything's fine and you're just a moronic luddite if you disagree, you ought to concede that yes, for many people EVs are going to be a pain in the arse and we need better charging infrastructure. That's how you're going to get the disinterested masses to accept driving an EV, by acknowledging the issues, not insulting people.
It's the masses you need to convert, not the people who enjoy driving an ICV.
I can yes. Very clearly. Which is why I don’t launch myself into a Micra thread to tell you what you’re driving is s
t, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving.
Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
t, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving. Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
Edited by Seasonal Hero on Saturday 30th March 08:29
NDNDNDND said:
QED.
An EV is a car minus the things I like most about driving. I'd much rather hack a carb'd Micra down a B-road than some fat, numb, silent EV where you just sit there with nothing to do or think about.
I really don't understand why the EV fanboy contingent seem so intent on trying to convert people to their personal idea of fun. It's like having someone get really pissy with you because you don't care how much memory their new laptop's got.
The people you need to convert are the school run mums and photocopier salesmen who think the cars won't work for them. Rather than trying desperately to tell everyone that everything's fine and you're just a moronic luddite if you disagree, you ought to concede that yes, for many people EVs are going to be a pain in the arse and we need better charging infrastructure. That's how you're going to get the disinterested masses to accept driving an EV, by acknowledging the issues, not insulting people.
It's the masses you need to convert, not the people who enjoy driving an ICV.
Think about it for a minute. It's entirely possible to like an ICE car, do track days, enjoy it, work on it.An EV is a car minus the things I like most about driving. I'd much rather hack a carb'd Micra down a B-road than some fat, numb, silent EV where you just sit there with nothing to do or think about.
I really don't understand why the EV fanboy contingent seem so intent on trying to convert people to their personal idea of fun. It's like having someone get really pissy with you because you don't care how much memory their new laptop's got.
The people you need to convert are the school run mums and photocopier salesmen who think the cars won't work for them. Rather than trying desperately to tell everyone that everything's fine and you're just a moronic luddite if you disagree, you ought to concede that yes, for many people EVs are going to be a pain in the arse and we need better charging infrastructure. That's how you're going to get the disinterested masses to accept driving an EV, by acknowledging the issues, not insulting people.
It's the masses you need to convert, not the people who enjoy driving an ICV.
And at the same time also own an EV and enjoy its benefits too.
It's not a binary world! No need for worn out clichés and stereotypes.
You're judging a minority of people with entrenched views by your own standards, which fortunately only also represent a small minority of entrenched yet vocal views at the other extreme of that particular spectrum.
NDNDNDND said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Can anyone imagine a world where people like different things to other people?
I don't know, can you?Seasonal Hero said:
Yeah but it’s got a 1.3 with Webers and anyone who drives anything any power or torque knows nothing about driving.
I guess not.EV fanboys are by far and way the biggest joykillers of automotive culture.
RayDonovan said:
Comparing a 17 year old shed to modern day EVs really is stretching it.
A Micra ffs..
QED.A Micra ffs..
An EV is a car minus the things I like most about driving. I'd much rather hack a carb'd Micra down a B-road than some fat, numb, silent EV where you just sit there with nothing to do or think about.
I really don't understand why the EV fanboy contingent seem so intent on trying to convert people to their personal idea of fun. It's like having someone get really pissy with you because you don't care how much memory their new laptop's got.
The people you need to convert are the school run mums and photocopier salesmen who think the cars won't work for them. Rather than trying desperately to tell everyone that everything's fine and you're just a moronic luddite if you disagree, you ought to concede that yes, for many people EVs are going to be a pain in the arse and we need better charging infrastructure. That's how you're going to get the disinterested masses to accept driving an EV, by acknowledging the issues, not insulting people.
It's the masses you need to convert, not the people who enjoy driving an ICV.
Seasonal Hero said:
I can yes. Very clearly. Which is why I don’t launch myself into a Micra thread to tell you what you’re driving is st, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving.
Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
t, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving. Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
Seasonal Hero said:
‘Not insulting people’
“Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. ”
Enjoy your Micra.
I mean, you are doing a brilliant job of proving my point...“Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. ”
Enjoy your Micra.
nickfrog said:
Think about it for a minute. It's entirely possible to like an ICE car, do track days, enjoy it, work on it.
And at the same time also own an EV and enjoy its benefits too.
It's not a binary world! No need for worn out clichés and stereotypes.
Thank you for agreeing with me.And at the same time also own an EV and enjoy its benefits too.
It's not a binary world! No need for worn out clichés and stereotypes.
nickfrog said:
You're judging a minority of people with entrenched views by your own standards, which fortunately only also represent a small minority of entrenched yet vocal views at the other extreme of that particular spectrum.
You're projecting a bit here, though.Seasonal Hero said:
I can yes. Very clearly. Which is why I don’t launch myself into a Micra thread to tell you what you’re driving is st, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving.
Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
I find it really curious that people who admit to having no experience of something still manage to have really strong opinions about the experience of owning and driving it. It would be like me finding a thread about 911s and telling all the owners that it's basically like driving a beetle even though I've never driven one. And when the 911 owners called me out I'd feel perfectly justified in calling them zealots because they didn't agree. t, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving. Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
Edited by Seasonal Hero on Saturday 30th March 08:29
nickfrog said:
wormus said:
And this is the main reason not to get an EV - the smug bellends who drive them. It seems on here, it’s not OK to like different things after all.
Can't you just ignore them?Are you having yet another bad day?
Is anyone trying to convert others in this thread?
It seems to be one set of people explaining how an old Micra or other tiny engined petrol supermini is the ideal car for everyone and if you like something comfortable or with power, you aren't a real enthusiast and must not enjoy driving.
On the other side most of the comments from EV owners are defending against the argument that they have bought the wrong car despite it working perfectly for their use case.
Of course EVs don't work for the person who has no on street parking and goes on caravan holidays at the opposite end of the country every weekend but they are perfect for the vast majority.
In my own experience, having 476bhp instantly available in a car with all the weight low down, ohlins adjustable suspension and brembo brakes can actually be great fun to drive. Especially when you wake up each day with a full "tank" and don't need to go out of your way to fill up. It's not a Caterham or Elise but no one is claiming that...
It seems to be one set of people explaining how an old Micra or other tiny engined petrol supermini is the ideal car for everyone and if you like something comfortable or with power, you aren't a real enthusiast and must not enjoy driving.
On the other side most of the comments from EV owners are defending against the argument that they have bought the wrong car despite it working perfectly for their use case.
Of course EVs don't work for the person who has no on street parking and goes on caravan holidays at the opposite end of the country every weekend but they are perfect for the vast majority.
In my own experience, having 476bhp instantly available in a car with all the weight low down, ohlins adjustable suspension and brembo brakes can actually be great fun to drive. Especially when you wake up each day with a full "tank" and don't need to go out of your way to fill up. It's not a Caterham or Elise but no one is claiming that...
wormus said:
nickfrog said:
wormus said:
And this is the main reason not to get an EV - the smug bellends who drive them. It seems on here, it’s not OK to like different things after all.
Can't you just ignore them?Are you having yet another bad day?
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