EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
Essarell said:
the Shkoda video clearly demonstrated EV efficiency, OK as town cars but any kind of drag, either ballast or aero sends the vehicle into the utterly useless category, i would suggest that if current EV drivers don't really exceed the vehicles range, ie 150 miles or so, only make short local journeys then you've bought the wrong car, a small efficient petrol vehicle would give you years of reliable service. As stated many times 2.5 t town cars aren't really the answer to anything except a nice saving from BIK.
My typical journey is 50-80 miles each way. A mix of motorways and country roads.Do I have your permission to drive an EV? Where do I get the permit?
GT9 said:
Spidey senses are tingling.
I was curious as to who/what you might pick as inspiration for your newest login.
Think how sad his life must be that he has to keep coming on here to insult people who drive cars powered by electricity.I was curious as to who/what you might pick as inspiration for your newest login.
The whole idea of being anti-something that you don't have to buy is a bit odd. Even more odd to then actively insult those that have chosen to buy that thing. Surely if you believe that EVs are so crap, then owning/driving them should be enough of a punishment for those that chose them, and so the anti-EV crowd should quietly enjoy their lives in the smug knowledge that they are right?
Seasonal Hero said:
Essarell said:
the Shkoda video clearly demonstrated EV efficiency, OK as town cars but any kind of drag, either ballast or aero sends the vehicle into the utterly useless category, i would suggest that if current EV drivers don't really exceed the vehicles range, ie 150 miles or so, only make short local journeys then you've bought the wrong car, a small efficient petrol vehicle would give you years of reliable service. As stated many times 2.5 t town cars aren't really the answer to anything except a nice saving from BIK.
My typical journey is 50-80 miles each way. A mix of motorways and country roads.Do I have your permission to drive an EV? Where do I get the permit?
Essarell said:
the Shkoda video clearly demonstrated EV efficiency, OK as town cars but any kind of drag, either ballast or aero sends the vehicle into the utterly useless category, i would suggest that if current EV drivers don't really exceed the vehicles range, ie 150 miles or so, only make short local journeys then you've bought the wrong car, a small efficient petrol vehicle would give you years of reliable service. As stated many times 2.5 t town cars aren't really the answer to anything except a nice saving from BIK.
I'm sure a small petrol vehicle would be fine although not ideal for 60 miles on the motorway. My current EV is more comfortable, significantly cheaper to run, will easily last as long as I need it and has 476bhp to play with. It's really important to present a realistic impression not some rose tinted version of owning any particular car of course.
Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(av charge rate 95kW so not even particularly fast chargers an not always bothering to preheat the battery)
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging ( av cost 86p/kWh public yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(av charge rate 95kW so not even particularly fast chargers an not always bothering to preheat the battery)
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging ( av cost 86p/kWh public yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 28th March 14:32
Essarell said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Essarell said:
An example of a family car that's absolutely no use as a family car for someone who tows a caravan every day and who has done zero research into the best solution for them?
FTFY.We don't have a caravan.
So as a family car it will be great for us.
If our "family car" was used to tow a jetski and carry bikes to the coast every weekend it would be terrible.
T_S_M said:
Why on earth would you want to drive from Dover to Edinburgh (8+ hours!) in one go?
Last year I drove back from Glasgow to Shropshire (300 miles) in my petrol car. I stopped half way for 20 minutes because I needed whiz and was starving. If I'd have done this same journey in my EV, it would have taken exactly the same amount of time. I'd still need to stop for a whiz and crap Mcdonald's food, but my car would be charging at exactly the same time and have charged up enough in that time to get me home.
Last year I drove back from Glasgow to Shropshire (300 miles) in my petrol car. I stopped half way for 20 minutes because I needed whiz and was starving. If I'd have done this same journey in my EV, it would have taken exactly the same amount of time. I'd still need to stop for a whiz and crap Mcdonald's food, but my car would be charging at exactly the same time and have charged up enough in that time to get me home.
Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 28th March 14:04
wormus said:
Very interesting, but the question was about cars that could do over 450 miles without refuelling, not how much it costs.
…or how long it takes.740EVTORQUES said:
It's really important to present a realistic impression not some rose tinted version of owning any particular car of course.
Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging (yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
When all I have to do is average 34 miles a day I’ll surely consider the delights of the EV adventure, refueling whilst asleep and gliding seemlessly to each destination offers a panacea of wonder.Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging (yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
Meanwhile…..
wormus said:
T_S_M said:
Why on earth would you want to drive from Dover to Edinburgh (8+ hours!) in one go?
Last year I drove back from Glasgow to Shropshire (300 miles) in my petrol car. I stopped half way for 20 minutes because I needed whiz and was starving. If I'd have done this same journey in my EV, it would have taken exactly the same amount of time. I'd still need to stop for a whiz and crap Mcdonald's food, but my car would be charging at exactly the same time and have charged up enough in that time to get me home.
Last year I drove back from Glasgow to Shropshire (300 miles) in my petrol car. I stopped half way for 20 minutes because I needed whiz and was starving. If I'd have done this same journey in my EV, it would have taken exactly the same amount of time. I'd still need to stop for a whiz and crap Mcdonald's food, but my car would be charging at exactly the same time and have charged up enough in that time to get me home.
Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 28th March 14:04
wormus said:
Very interesting, but the question was about cars that could do over 450 miles without refuelling, not how much it costs.
…or how long it takes.Essarell said:
John87 said:
Essarell said:
that's a good example, surely airliners don't need to travel 6000 miles in one go, transatlantic there's loads of places where they could land and grab a coffee whilst refuelling, who doesn't fancy a leg stretch in Newfoundland?..........it's efficiency, my time is more productive & cost effective working on site or more valuable at home with my family. In the 560 miles this will do to a tank is time saved to me, similarly i don't need to "hypermile" with the HGV's so in every hour i cover 10 more miles, that soon adds up over a year.
Do you have a toilet and somewhere to go walk inside your car? Not sure an airliner is a valid comparison.I drive faster in my EV than I ever did with ICE because I don't need to worry about efficiency. 95% of journeys are within the range of the car and it costs pennies extra to go faster.
Seasonal Hero said:
6.18am and our resident ‘small, angry man’ begins today’s pointless campaign against EV’s with yet another personal attack.
Tragic.
Tragic.
Seasonal Hero said:
wormus said:
You may think differently when you have a family or tow big stuff. You need to grow pubes and pass your test first though.
Everyone say hi again to our resident 'sad, angry little man'Essarell said:
740EVTORQUES said:
It's really important to present a realistic impression not some rose tinted version of owning any particular car of course.
Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging (yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
When all I have to do is average 34 miles a day I’ll surely consider the delights of the EV adventure, refueling whilst asleep and gliding seemlessly to each destination offers a panacea of wonder.Luckily EV's record their charging in the companion app so here it is.
1 year, 12,500 miles.
Mostly charged at home eat 8p/kWh
In that time I have had to public charge 11 times
shortest 3 minutes
longest 26 minutes
(To be fair the 5 stops in excess of 10 minutes (26,19,21,18,19) were because of me wanting to buy and eat lunch so that was the car waiting for me not the other way round)
Total time spent (including eating lunch) 156 minutes
That's 3 minutes per week.
If you assume a generous 450 mile diesel range you wold have stopped 27 times to refuel, even at 4 minutes per stop (I'm assuming diesel refuelling is at F1 speeds?) that's 108 minutes, a saving of 48 minutes per year or 55 seconds per week (and you don't get to eat lunch, but lunch is for wimps and EV drivers I assume.)
How precious is your time that 55 seconds a week matters?
If you take out the eating time then the time spent charging would be around 100 minutes PER YEAR, ie less than the time spent refuelling a diesel.
Total cost £214 for public charging plus £313 for home charging (yes public charger are way to pricey!).
Total cost for the EV = £527
12,500 miles in a 40mpg diesel is around 312 gallons, at £1.50 per litre that's approx £2130
So the EV while being 55 seconds per week slower to refuel is around a 1/4 the cost.
If you take out the lunch break aspect the EV is actually more time saving as well as much more convenient.
Because facts matter.
Meanwhile…..
740EVTORQUES said:
So if the advantage of a diesel car is not the cost or the time taken, what exactly is the advantage?
Our Eclass will do home to Southampton and back on a tank of fuel, that’s circa 700 miles. That’s travelling at motorway speeds with a fully laden car, you may snear at our propensity for convenience but I find service stations utter cess pits so the less time spent there the better, also crossing the channel where sustaining much higher motorway speeds the economy is barely affected. Modern diesel’s have been successful for a reason, probably why taxi drivers are slow to take EV’s on, though as pointed out EV depreciation is off the cliff so I look forward to a Taycan (or similiar) Ubering me home.
Dave200 said:
The average annual mileage in the UK is 7400. Or 20 miles per day. That suggests that more than half of the UK would be better off in time and money if they had an EV.
Would you have the metric to how that’s calculated? Is it all cars currently registered divided by the mileage? If that is the case, bypass the EV altogether and get a maxi scooter, cheaper than a very cheap thing and an absolute dream in congestion.
Dave200 said:
The average annual mileage in the UK is 7400. Or 20 miles per day. That suggests that more than half of the UK would be better off in time and money if they had an EV.
Can you please stop posting things like this.The last thing we need right now is 10 million people all scrambling to buy an EV, used or new...
In all seriousness though, I'm mildly concerned what Labour might actually do to the legislation.
They've already threatened to reinstate the 2030 'ban', the lifting of which got some posters quite moist.
I half expect them to screw it up though and reinstate a full ban on ICE after 2030, rather than the pure ICEs that the previous ban was exclusive to.
My view is that a steady but concerted progression toward electrification is manageable, a headlong rush, not so much.
Whilst some might consider anything that 'changes before they die' to be a headlong rush, I think we are going at about the right pace now.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves!
Essarell said:
Would you have the metric to how that’s calculated? Is it all cars currently registered divided by the mileage?
Yes, 240 billion miles collectively travelled by something around 33 million passenger cars.1% of journeys on any given day over 200 miles.
5% of journeys on any given day over 100 miles.
20+ million tons of fuel p.a.
Edited by GT9 on Thursday 28th March 15:01
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
The average annual mileage in the UK is 7400. Or 20 miles per day. That suggests that more than half of the UK would be better off in time and money if they had an EV.
Would you have the metric to how that’s calculated? Is it all cars currently registered divided by the mileage? If that is the case, bypass the EV altogether and get a maxi scooter, cheaper than a very cheap thing and an absolute dream in congestion.
GT9 said:
Dave200 said:
The average annual mileage in the UK is 7400. Or 20 miles per day. That suggests that more than half of the UK would be better off in time and money if they had an EV.
Can you please stop posting things like this.The last thing we need right now is 10 million people all scrambling to buy an EV, used or new...
In all seriousness though, I'm mildly concerned what Labour might actually do to the legislation.
They've already threatened to reinstate the 2030 'ban', the lifting of which got some posters quite moist.
I half expect them to screw it up though and reinstate a full ban on ICE after 2030, rather than the pure ICEs that the previous ban was exclusive to.
My view is that a steady but concerted progression toward electrification is manageable, a headlong rush, not so much.
Whilst some might consider anything that 'changes before they die' to be a headlong rush, I think we are going at about the right pace now.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves!
1, accelerate the rush to Net Zero, SKS believes it will bring a jobs revolution.
2, take us back into Europe, which is fine we can just vote to leave again.
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