EVs... no one wants them!

[Essarell]

GT9 said:

Dave200 said:

The average annual mileage in the UK is 7400. Or 20 miles per day. That suggests that more than half of the UK would be better off in time and money if they had an EV.

Can you please stop posting things like this.
The last thing we need right now is 10 million people all scrambling to buy an EV, used or new...
In all seriousness though, I'm mildly concerned what Labour might actually do to the legislation.
They've already threatened to reinstate the 2030 'ban', the lifting of which got some posters quite moist.
I half expect them to screw it up though and reinstate a full ban on ICE after 2030, rather than the pure ICEs that the previous ban was exclusive to.
My view is that a steady but concerted progression toward electrification is manageable, a headlong rush, not so much.
Whilst some might consider anything that 'changes before they die' to be a headlong rush, I think we are going at about the right pace now.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves!

Labour will do two things:
1, accelerate the rush to Net Zero, SKS believes it will bring a jobs revolution.

2, take us back into Europe, which is fine we can just vote to leave again.

[CLK-GTR]

740EVTORQUES said:

Why do you want to do 450 miles (at least 10 hours in the real world) without the need to refuel?

It's not really the situation most people find themselves in. The long journey thing is a bit of a strawman.

I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.

[Seasonal Hero]

wormus said:

Yes yes, we heard you first time.

You do seem rather keen to prove my point though.

[Seasonal Hero]

Essarell said:

you don't half take your bat home quick

Weird isn't it. It's almost like I carefully considered my own very specific use case, worked out that an EV is ideal for me, and paid zero attention to people who need to tow an airliner 5000 miles across Sahara with their aircon set to -5c whilst also not stopping for 3 weeks.

[NDA]

Ankh87 said:

I get a minimum of 700 miles to my 70L tank. That's even pushing it a little hard in places.

Pretty exciting I'll bet.

[Essarell]

Seasonal Hero said:

Essarell said:

you don't half take your bat home quick

Weird isn't it. It's almost like I carefully considered my own very specific use case, worked out that an EV is ideal for me, and paid zero attention to people who need to tow an airliner 5000 miles across Sahara with their aircon set to -5c whilst also not stopping for 3 weeks.

Your example just made me think of Ice Cold In Alex, one of my favourite films of all time, best product placement ever…..

[Seasonal Hero]

CLK-GTR said:

It's not really the situation most people find themselves in. The long journey thing is a bit of a strawman.

I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.

WhereasI drive 30 miles, get back in and do another 10 and then do the same thing again. Some evenings I'll plug it in and let Octopus work out the schedule overnight and come out the following morning to a fully charged car. Plugging the cable in takes about as long as putting a fuel nozzle in.

There are an awful lot of people on this thread with zero experience of running an EV who are very keen to tell those of us who do why it's going to be a problem for them.

[anonymous-user]

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

So if the advantage of a diesel car is not the cost or the time taken, what exactly is the advantage?

Our Eclass will do home to Southampton and back on a tank of fuel, that’s circa 700 miles. That’s travelling at motorway speeds with a fully laden car, you may snear at our propensity for convenience but I find service stations utter cess pits so the less time spent there the better, also crossing the channel where sustaining much higher motorway speeds the economy is barely affected.

Modern diesel’s have been successful for a reason, probably why taxi drivers are slow to take EV’s on, though as pointed out EV depreciation is off the cliff so I look forward to a Taycan (or similiar) Ubering me home.

Yes, but you’ll miss out on the EV bantz as they all sip their almond milk lattes, talk about ‘EV life’ and wait for 10 miles of electricity to fill their batteries, and as they decay with age, you get to stop twice as often! After all, nobody needs to drive more than 90 miles without needing a break, right?

[Seasonal Hero]

Essarell said:

Your example just made me think of Ice Cold In Alex, one of my favourite films of all time, best product placement ever…..

[GT9]

NDA said:

Ankh87 said:

I get a minimum of 700 miles to my 70L tank. That's even pushing it a little hard in places.

Pretty exciting I'll bet.

A tank that holds 700 kWh of energy, compared to an EV that might have 70 kWh.

[Seasonal Hero]

wormus said:

Yes, but you’ll miss out on the EV bantz as they all sip their almond milk lattes, talk about ‘EV life’ and wait for 10 miles of electricity to fill their batteries, and as they decay with age, you get to stop twice as often! After all, nobody needs to drive more than 90 miles without needing a break, right?

[Dave200]

CLK-GTR said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Why do you want to do 450 miles (at least 10 hours in the real world) without the need to refuel?

It's not really the situation most people find themselves in. The long journey thing is a bit of a strawman.

I will drive 30 miles, jump out of the car and do what I need to, get back in it and do another 10 miles before doing the same thing again. After a couple of weeks I'll need to fill the tank, a 2 minute job. Thats convenient. What I don't want is to have to faff around with a cable every couple of days, think about how long i can let it charge for, or worry about parking near a charger every other time I get in the car. That's not convenient.

It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away (the cable is attached to the charger). The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.

Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:15

[CLK-GTR]

Seasonal Hero said:

WhereasI drive 30 miles, get back in and do another 10 and then do the same thing again. Some evenings I'll plug it in and let Octopus work out the schedule overnight and come out the following morning to a fully charged car. Plugging the cable in takes about as long as putting a fuel nozzle in.

There are an awful lot of people on this thread with zero experience of running an EV who are very keen to tell those of us who do why it's going to be a problem for them.

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

[CLK-GTR]

Dave200 said:

It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.

Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10

Charging at home is where EVs can work well.

Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?

[Big Nanas]

CLK-GTR said:

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

Messing around with a charger cable?
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)

[Dave200]

CLK-GTR said:

Dave200 said:

It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.

Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10

Charging at home is where EVs can work well.

Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?

The process you describe takes less than 30 seconds when you get into and out of the car. It's really no effort. If my wife can be bothered to do it when she occasionally forgets to even lock the car I think anyone can do it. I went with a tethered charger because it means the cable is just hanging on the wall waiting to be plugged in.

[Dave200]

Big Nanas said:

CLK-GTR said:

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

Messing around with a charger cable?
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)

I still use petrol stations for my other cars and I've started to get quite resentful of the faff, the queueing and handling dirty pump handles. Not to mention the cost.

[Seasonal Hero]

CLK-GTR said:

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

Which is why I said I.

[T_S_M]

wormus said:

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

So if the advantage of a diesel car is not the cost or the time taken, what exactly is the advantage?

Our Eclass will do home to Southampton and back on a tank of fuel, that’s circa 700 miles. That’s travelling at motorway speeds with a fully laden car, you may snear at our propensity for convenience but I find service stations utter cess pits so the less time spent there the better, also crossing the channel where sustaining much higher motorway speeds the economy is barely affected.

Modern diesel’s have been successful for a reason, probably why taxi drivers are slow to take EV’s on, though as pointed out EV depreciation is off the cliff so I look forward to a Taycan (or similiar) Ubering me home.

Yes, but you’ll miss out on the EV bantz as they all sip their almond milk lattes, talk about ‘EV life’ and wait for 10 miles of electricity to fill their batteries, and as they decay with age, you get to stop twice as often! After all, nobody needs to drive more than 90 miles without needing a break, right?

I usually count all the pounds I'm saving that I can use to fill up the tank in my V8. Takes a while to count them all.

[stanlow45]

Big Nanas said:

Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.

the bullst is unceasing

A petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...