EVs... no one wants them!

[Big Nanas]

stanlow45 said:

Big Nanas said:

Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.

the bullst is unceasing

A petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...

Really? I've had fuel pumps that have had fuel on it. Have you genuinely not? I'm not being obtuse.
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.

Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34

[Mad Maximus]

Big Nanas said:

stanlow45 said:

Big Nanas said:

Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.

the bullst is unceasing

A petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...

Really? I've had fuel pumps that have had fuel on it. Have you genuinely not? I'm not being obtuse.
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.

Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34

Pump diesel is the worst I have to wear a glove as it stinks after pumping. Petrol just as bad but doesn’t smell anything like as bad.

[Seasonal Hero]

Stanlw demonstrating once again that apparently he's never actually driven a car.

[EdWhite]

Is there a thread for best deals on Public charging? Thanks

[stanlow45]

Big Nanas said:

stanlow45 said:

Big Nanas said:

Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.

the bullst is unceasing

A petrol hose covered in fuel would indeed be something to worry about, if it actually ever happened...

Really? I've had fuel pumps that have had fuel on it. Have you genuinely not? I'm not being obtuse.
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.

Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34

Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!

Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...

[madbadger]

CLK-GTR said:

Dave200 said:

It might not be for you but I can tell you from actual experience that it's nowhere near as difficult as you think. I do about 8,000 miles a year (so just above average) and I tend to only charge away from the house once every couple of months. When I get home I park in my driveway and plug the car into the charger 2m away. The car knows when to start charging and how much to charge. It costs me about a tenner to add 350 miles. It's the easiest ownership experience I've ever had.

Edited by Dave200 on Thursday 28th March 15:10

Charging at home is where EVs can work well.

Still, having a process that needs to be done both more often and for longer can't be argued to be easier, can it?

It can. If I need to fill up a paddling pool I can do it at home with a low flow rate hose, or I can drive to the fire station, bung them £100 and fill it up in one go very quickly.

It's easier and cheaper to do it at home.

[740EVTORQUES]

Dave200 said:

Big Nanas said:

CLK-GTR said:

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

Messing around with a charger cable?
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)

I still use petrol stations for my other cars and I've started to get quite resentful of the faff, the queueing and handling dirty pump handles. Not to mention the cost.

This is the reality. Most of us EV converts also have petrol cars and experience first hand the sheer awfulness of having to pump toxic liquid hydrocarbons into them, while at the same time knowing that 80% of it is going to be wasted as heat, noise and pollution (mainly heat).

There are very, very few occasions when I walk out of my front door and choose one of the petrol cars over the EV. They're like well worn, old pairs of shoes that you can't bear to throw out really. One of these days I'll have a spring clean and do the right thing.

[Big Nanas]

stanlow45 said:

Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!

Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...

Incredible.

[RayDonovan]

Big Nanas said:

stanlow45 said:

Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!

Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...

Incredible.

[Seasonal Hero]

stanlow45 said:

Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!

Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...

And this, kids, is why you should stay away from drugs.

[Discombobulate]

Why the vitriol?

If, like Wormus, you drive a Discovery long distances then I get why you would baulk at the idea of an EV. There simply isn't one that will do the same job. And, at the same price, there won't be any time soon. But there is no need to constantly have a go at others who live different lives.

I am on my third EV used as a daily. Before these I did 80,000 miles in a C7 RS6 followed by a B9 RS4 - both dailies - and, for what I do, my latest EV is better than both in every way except the noise. And a lot more reliable (kiss of death....). Both Audis were terrible, mainly due to recurrent DRC issues.

Equally, if you have an EV and understand the attractions, get a thicker skin and try and ignore those who don't get it.

We all like driving - that's what we share.

I know I am naive, but at least I am happy

Edited by Discombobulate on Thursday 28th March 16:21

[Dave200]

740EVTORQUES said:

Dave200 said:

Big Nanas said:

CLK-GTR said:

Maybe for them it is a problem, whereas for you its not?
A car doesn't have to be a one size fits all.

Though personally even though I do have a charger I get annoyed at having to put the steering lock on every night. I doubt I'm going to love messing around with a charging cable too.

Messing around with a charger cable?
It's literally the same as a petrol station - open flap, insert. That's it. Plus the charger cable will be lighter and not covered in petrol/diesel.
You then come out in the morning to a fully charged car. I adore not having to visit a fuel station anymore.
How can a a charger cable be WORSE than a fuel pump? (that's a serious question)

I still use petrol stations for my other cars and I've started to get quite resentful of the faff, the queueing and handling dirty pump handles. Not to mention the cost.

This is the reality. Most of us EV converts also have petrol cars and experience first hand the sheer awfulness of having to pump toxic liquid hydrocarbons into them, while at the same time knowing that 80% of it is going to be wasted as heat, noise and pollution (mainly heat).

There are very, very few occasions when I walk out of my front door and choose one of the petrol cars over the EV. They're like well worn, old pairs of shoes that you can't bear to throw out really. One of these days I'll have a spring clean and do the right thing.

Don't get me wrong. I still get a lot more enjoyment out of driving my petrol cars. It's just that they are a lot more faff and money to own and run than my EV.

[djc206]

Big Nanas said:

Really? I've had fuel pumps that have had fuel on it. Have you genuinely not? I'm not being obtuse.
Surely my point still stands - I've had ICE since 1993 and not having to visit a fuel station is genuinely great.

Edited by Big Nanas on Thursday 28th March 15:34

My car has been in the garage for a few days so I was given a VW Tiguan diesel as a courtesy car. It was a perfectly adequate vehicle but would have struggled to be more boring if it tried but the thing that irked me the most was returning it this afternoon I dutifully filled it up and my hands stank of diesel which unlike petrol smells disgusting and is greasy as. Rotten stuff. I don’t recall ever getting petrol on my hands just from picking up the pump before and my charger cable hasn’t deposited anything disgusting on my hands yet so I second the hatred of diesel as a fuel even if it does give a vehicle a range that exceeds the capacity of even the most dehydrated individuals bladder.

[Sheepshanks]

djc206 said:

My car has been in the garage for a few days so I was given a VW Tiguan diesel as a courtesy car. It was a perfectly adequate vehicle but would have struggled to be more boring if it tried but the thing that irked me the most was returning it this afternoon I dutifully filled it up and my hands stank of diesel which unlike petrol smells disgusting and is greasy as. Rotten stuff. I don’t recall ever getting petrol on my hands just from picking up the pump before and my charger cable hasn’t deposited anything disgusting on my hands yet so I second the hatred of diesel as a fuel even if it does give a vehicle a range that exceeds the capacity of even the most dehydrated individuals bladder.

I had diesels for years (and we just got rid of wife's diesel Tiguan, which had honestly been brilliant for the 8yrs she had it) and I wouldn't dream of handling a diesel nozzle without wearing a glove.

[Big Nanas]

Sheepshanks said:

djc206 said:

My car has been in the garage for a few days so I was given a VW Tiguan diesel as a courtesy car. It was a perfectly adequate vehicle but would have struggled to be more boring if it tried but the thing that irked me the most was returning it this afternoon I dutifully filled it up and my hands stank of diesel which unlike petrol smells disgusting and is greasy as. Rotten stuff. I don’t recall ever getting petrol on my hands just from picking up the pump before and my charger cable hasn’t deposited anything disgusting on my hands yet so I second the hatred of diesel as a fuel even if it does give a vehicle a range that exceeds the capacity of even the most dehydrated individuals bladder.

I had diesels for years (and we just got rid of wife's diesel Tiguan, which had honestly been brilliant for the 8yrs she had it) and I wouldn't dream of handling a diesel nozzle without wearing a glove.

I'm a wheelchair user and when I had a diesel I found it incredibly irritating to get diesel spills on my wheelchair tyres. Very hard to get off.

[djc206]

Sheepshanks said:

I had diesels for years (and we just got rid of wife's diesel Tiguan, which had honestly been brilliant for the 8yrs she had it) and I wouldn't dream of handling a diesel nozzle without wearing a glove.

I have never owned a diesel and not driven one regularly since 2004 so it was a bit of oversight on my part. I have never used gloves to fill a petrol car and nor do I have to do so to use my charger at home so diesel gets docked a point for that.

The Tiguan is very Germanic. Functional, reasonably well put together save the crashy suspension but also extremely dull. Perfect for moving a couple of kids about for someone who doesn’t take any pleasure from driving I reckon.

[tupak798]

Sheepshanks said:

djc206 said:

My car has been in the garage for a few days so I was given a VW Tiguan diesel as a courtesy car. It was a perfectly adequate vehicle but would have struggled to be more boring if it tried but the thing that irked me the most was returning it this afternoon I dutifully filled it up and my hands stank of diesel which unlike petrol smells disgusting and is greasy as. Rotten stuff. I don’t recall ever getting petrol on my hands just from picking up the pump before and my charger cable hasn’t deposited anything disgusting on my hands yet so I second the hatred of diesel as a fuel even if it does give a vehicle a range that exceeds the capacity of even the most dehydrated individuals bladder.

I had diesels for years (and we just got rid of wife's diesel Tiguan, which had honestly been brilliant for the 8yrs she had it) and I wouldn't dream of handling a diesel nozzle without wearing a glove.

Yes, plenty of disposable gloves available at any filling station if required. The guy who had the leaking hose is lucky to be alive clearly...

[anonymous-user]

stanlow45 said:

Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!

Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...

They find other ways to fill the time:

[GT9]

Tupak and Stanlow.
Never seen in the same room at the same time, like Superman and Clark Kent.
Sort of.

[tupak798]

Seasonal Hero said:

And this, kids, is why you should stay away from drugs.

And you should really stay away from your keyboard judging by some of the responses on here.