EVs... no one wants them!
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740EVTORQUES said:
wormus said:
Very interesting, but the question was about cars that could do over 450 miles without refuelling, not how much it costs.
Why do you want to do 450 miles (at least 10 hours in the real world) without the need to refuel?March I did 741 miles which took 31 hours 27 mins.
That includes a twice weekly 76 mile journey which takes 2 hours.
166 trips in total.
Edited by Downward on Thursday 28th March 18:28
It feels like there are a small group of posters (maybe even just 1?) who are only on this thread to try and get reactions out of EV owners. They don't want a discussion or to actually hear a counterargument. They are just here to troll. Perhaps everyone would be saved if people just didn't respond to them? The pro-EV crowd here share some culpability because they seem to keen to set people straight when those people don't want to be set straight. Not sure if it's really adding anything to the discussion to be honest.
GT9 said:
tupak798 said:
There are a few posters here skeptical of EVs, I think wormus was also making his case earlier.
Wormus is the thread's resident pair of curtains, just hanging around blocking out the light.We don't need any more thanks.
I’m not anti-EV as like all machines, appreciate what they do. I don’t think they are as interesting as ICE cars as I just like things with engines, even ones driven by steam, and EVs lack the smells and noises that I’ve come to enjoy. However EVs are effective in the same way as my fridge keeps my milk cold, but they aren’t as convenient as ICE cars, because they need more development, that’s just a fact. Having to recharge every 200 miles is inconvenient for some people, me included and I’ll not buy an EV until it can do all the things my ICE cars can.
Biggest problem EVs have are the smug pollocks who buy them. Sure, some will be normal, but many will never understand my PoV and will insist I’m either wrong or a troll. I mostly mock them for sport, but I never take the mick out of normal, decent people who show some humility.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 28th March 19:03
wormus said:
GT9 said:
tupak798 said:
There are a few posters here skeptical of EVs, I think wormus was also making his case earlier.
Wormus is the thread's resident pair of curtains, just hanging around blocking out the light.We don't need any more thanks.
It was said in jest anyway, I've grown bored of adding smilies I guess.
You were cracking jokes earlier, maybe mine up to scratch, sorry.
wormus said:
GT9 said:
tupak798 said:
There are a few posters here skeptical of EVs, I think wormus was also making his case earlier.
Wormus is the thread's resident pair of curtains, just hanging around blocking out the light.We don't need any more thanks.
can I just change the energy on here a bit 
I haven't researched EVs much, but I'd sure like to have one. I have several cars and would properly enjoy another technology & drivetrain in the mix. I was taken aback at how cheap some old Teslas are, not just the 3s but nicer Ss too.
these got me thinking. but can I share my concerns:
- batteries. I thought 100K on a Tesla wouldn't be too bad with its advanced cooling. or is that still a risk/cost looming?
- insurance. I hear mumblings.
- spare parts. are they available? suspension on a heavy car at 100K might need a refresh.
A Zoe or Leaf are also options for runarounds, but I also fancy an EV for long journeys along routes where charging is not a concern at all.
I haven't researched EVs much, but I'd sure like to have one. I have several cars and would properly enjoy another technology & drivetrain in the mix. I was taken aback at how cheap some old Teslas are, not just the 3s but nicer Ss too.
these got me thinking. but can I share my concerns:
- batteries. I thought 100K on a Tesla wouldn't be too bad with its advanced cooling. or is that still a risk/cost looming?
- insurance. I hear mumblings.
- spare parts. are they available? suspension on a heavy car at 100K might need a refresh.
A Zoe or Leaf are also options for runarounds, but I also fancy an EV for long journeys along routes where charging is not a concern at all.
GT9 said:
wormus said:
GT9 said:
tupak798 said:
There are a few posters here skeptical of EVs, I think wormus was also making his case earlier.
Wormus is the thread's resident pair of curtains, just hanging around blocking out the light.We don't need any more thanks.
It was said in jest anyway, I've grown bored of adding smilies I guess.
You were cracking jokes earlier, maybe mine up to scratch, sorry.
t day, sorry. 
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 28th March 19:15
Dave200 said:
It feels like there are a small group of posters (maybe even just 1?) who are only on this thread to try and get reactions out of EV owners. They don't want a discussion or to actually hear a counterargument. They are just here to troll. Perhaps everyone would be saved if people just didn't respond to them? The pro-EV crowd here share some culpability because they seem to keen to set people straight when those people don't want to be set straight. Not sure if it's really adding anything to the discussion to be honest.
Disagree. I think you (as an example) posting real world experience is important. Plenty of people will be reading this thread who won't be posting. Many of those will have similar (if not as entrenched) concerns. The more practical examples people add who have used, driven, and owned EVs increases the weight of the positive argument. Otherwise, the negative argument wins, which is all about those who saw a "meme", or who watched a click-bait video on youtube etc.Not saying it will be persuasive on its own, and wormus will never be persuaded, but I believe it will encourage many more reasonable people over time to reconsider some of their prior assumptions.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Disagree. I think you (as an example) posting real world experience is important. Plenty of people will be reading this thread who won't be posting. Many of those will have similar (if not as entrenched) concerns. The more practical examples people add who have used, driven, and owned EVs increases the weight of the positive argument. Otherwise, the negative argument wins, which is all about those who saw a "meme", or who watched a click-bait video on youtube etc.
Not saying it will be persuasive on its own, and wormus will never be persuaded, but I believe it will encourage many more reasonable people over time to reconsider some of their prior assumptions.
Experience is useful. Positive or negative. Still useful. Not saying it will be persuasive on its own, and wormus will never be persuaded, but I believe it will encourage many more reasonable people over time to reconsider some of their prior assumptions.
What isn’t it trolling and reposting the thing across multiple threads.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Dave200 said:
It feels like there are a small group of posters (maybe even just 1?) who are only on this thread to try and get reactions out of EV owners. They don't want a discussion or to actually hear a counterargument. They are just here to troll. Perhaps everyone would be saved if people just didn't respond to them? The pro-EV crowd here share some culpability because they seem to keen to set people straight when those people don't want to be set straight. Not sure if it's really adding anything to the discussion to be honest.
Disagree. I think you (as an example) posting real world experience is important. Plenty of people will be reading this thread who won't be posting. Many of those will have similar (if not as entrenched) concerns. The more practical examples people add who have used, driven, and owned EVs increases the weight of the positive argument. Otherwise, the negative argument wins, which is all about those who saw a "meme", or who watched a click-bait video on youtube etc.Not saying it will be persuasive on its own, and wormus will never be persuaded, but I believe it will encourage many more reasonable people over time to reconsider some of their prior assumptions.
However, having spent 4 days driving 600 plus miles in Iceland in a Mitsubishi PHEV, I am perhaps less sceptical. Yes the electric bit only gave 30kms and I only charged it up whilst driving to use later, the power delivery was impressive. The regenerative braking was rather good as well!
I still think that the best option, if we are to get rid of ICE, is to have hybrids with a bigger battery and smaller petrol engine effectively acting as a generator.
Boringvolvodriver said:
As someone who is sceptical about EVs, due to the cost (at present), potential range issues (getting better), infrastructure (again getting better) and the fact they are perhaps not as environmentally friendly as claimed, then to judge without having tried one, is difficult.
However, having spent 4 days driving 600 plus miles in Iceland in a Mitsubishi PHEV, I am perhaps less sceptical. Yes the electric bit only gave 30kms and I only charged it up whilst driving to use later, the power delivery was impressive. The regenerative braking was rather good as well!
I still think that the best option, if we are to get rid of ICE, is to have hybrids with a bigger battery and smaller petrol engine effectively acting as a generator.
What you describe is the Chevrolet Volt. 2010-2019. Ahead of its time imho. However, having spent 4 days driving 600 plus miles in Iceland in a Mitsubishi PHEV, I am perhaps less sceptical. Yes the electric bit only gave 30kms and I only charged it up whilst driving to use later, the power delivery was impressive. The regenerative braking was rather good as well!
I still think that the best option, if we are to get rid of ICE, is to have hybrids with a bigger battery and smaller petrol engine effectively acting as a generator.
Boringvolvodriver said:
As someone who is sceptical about EVs, due to the cost (at present), potential range issues (getting better), infrastructure (again getting better) and the fact they are perhaps not as environmentally friendly as claimed, then to judge without having tried one, is difficult.
However, having spent 4 days driving 600 plus miles in Iceland in a Mitsubishi PHEV, I am perhaps less sceptical. Yes the electric bit only gave 30kms and I only charged it up whilst driving to use later, the power delivery was impressive. The regenerative braking was rather good as well!
I still think that the best option, if we are to get rid of ICE, is to have hybrids with a bigger battery and smaller petrol engine effectively acting as a generator.
if it was the Outlander that's a tax dodge car and a fail at so many levels.However, having spent 4 days driving 600 plus miles in Iceland in a Mitsubishi PHEV, I am perhaps less sceptical. Yes the electric bit only gave 30kms and I only charged it up whilst driving to use later, the power delivery was impressive. The regenerative braking was rather good as well!
I still think that the best option, if we are to get rid of ICE, is to have hybrids with a bigger battery and smaller petrol engine effectively acting as a generator.
for the future, petrol generator yes, but not drivetrain. I feel governments haven't helped the transition by promoting (poor) hybrids and not the infrastructure.
wormus said:
stanlow45 said:
Of course we all know petrol evaporates right?? If it's leaking out of the hose get out of there!!
Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...
They find other ways to fill the time:Visiting a service station is of course quite handy, grab a newspaper or a sandwich and some screenwash and be on your way. Having to spend 4 hours waiting at the Watford Gap, forcing down a three course meal while you try to get your EV recharged would be a different matter...
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