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[biggbn]

bolidemichael said:

QBee said:

biggbn said:

Costly but look at the miles...and this dealers cars are usually 'right'. That's gotta be worth 10k of someone's money as a wafty keeper?

https://www.westendmotorgroup.co.uk/honda/used-car...

How on earth did the previous owner(s) average under 30 miles a week for 16 years?
Or to put it another way, why buy it in the first place if that's all you are going to do in it?

As it's in Broughty Ferry, perhaps it's one of the stable belonging to one of the Rockstar Games founders, who is known for his collection of supercars.

West End Honda seem to get a lot of low mileage cars, perhaps their demographic? The Ferry is full of retirees and has its fair share of the wealthy. I've bought a few nice, cheap cars from the area. If I had the loot at @10k and that car was as good as it looks, I'd have it. It would probably do @30 miles a week as my Mrs car!

[Den Den]

bolidemichael said:

GeniusOfLove said:

bolidemichael said:

To me, the saving grace of a FMBSH is that they'd follow the service schedule to the letter. Independents will seldom do so, takin ghte default assumption that they should do what's necessary and required, as opposed to superfluous. This extends to lubrication of the sunroof and various hinges, replacement of the cabin filter according to the recommended two year period and checking the drains for potential blockages.

I've taken enough 10 year old air and cabin filters out of FMDSH cars to know they don't. One of our posters was a MB tech and tells me of plenty of examples of filters going in the bin and oil going unchanged.

You're more likely to find the loch ness monster than a heavily targeted dealer tech cleaning out sunroof drains.

This makes me sad.

Shall I swiftly backtrack on my quoted and thus, recorded for all time statement? The principle of the service schedule is sound, but one cannot expect all dealers and independents to follow it strictly unless specifically instructed by the customers and even then, GoL*'s ex-bargeiste mate attests that you're not going to get the service that you pay for anyway.

*bring back Stickleback

In my naivety I thought your original post was sarcasm BM... An old friend once gave me an E class complete with totally blocked cabin filters, to the extent that there was no discernible breeze blowing through any vent. They had been changed on 2 occasions according to the invoices from his local main dealer. I did wonder if there were regular Saharan sandstorms in Beckenham that would have accounted for the blockages.

[GeniusOfLove]

biggbn said:

Costly but look at the miles...and this dealers cars are usually 'right'. That's gotta be worth 10k of someone's money as a wafty keeper?

https://www.westendmotorgroup.co.uk/honda/used-car...

The follow up model is crazy value at trade, I'm watching both a 650i and 640i cabrios on 50k miles and both 11 plates at BCA, the 640i has a CAP of about 8500 and the 650i of 9600.

I'd not touch an early twin turbo x50i with a barge pole but both seem very good value. Paying more than 5k for the old one seems a fools errand to me.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 10:48

[ingenieur]

GeniusOfLove said:

biggbn said:

Costly but look at the miles...and this dealers cars are usually 'right'. That's gotta be worth 10k of someone's money as a wafty keeper?

https://www.westendmotorgroup.co.uk/honda/used-car...

The follow up model is crazy value at trade, I'm watching both a 650i and 640i cabrios on 50k miles and both 11 plates at BCA, the 640i has a CAP of about 8500 and the 650i of 9600.

I'd not touch an early twin turbo x50i with a barge pole but both seem very good value. Paying more than 5k for the old one seems a fools errand to me.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 10:48

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

[dai1983]

ingenieur said:

This is ideal. I think my next barge purchase is going to be another e-class estate though.

I like it too. Love seeing these on the road and would have one.The Superb I have currently seems mega long and wide enough to attract parking dents from the sleep walking zafira crowd as it is though.

[ingenieur]

dai1983 said:

ingenieur said:

This is ideal. I think my next barge purchase is going to be another e-class estate though.

I like it too. Love seeing these on the road and would have one.The Superb I have currently seems mega long and wide enough to attract parking dents from the sleep walking zafira crowd as it is though.

I tend to find mercs are quite good at resisting car door damage. I think they thought about it when shaping the body and placing the rubbing strips. I've had loads of mercs from this era and can't recall seeing any parking dents. I had a guy in Tesco a few months ago just smashed the door open on his jalopy as he hadn't seen I was sitting in the car and that didn't do anything to mine. He didn't even apologise when I got out of my car.. just said what you'd expect someone like that to say.. some comment about the parking spaces being narrow.

[rider73]

CLS 3xx seems to coming down a lot in price these days - theres lots of tat and the usual "silver on black" combos - but i like this colour with this interior too esp. the two tone leather and darker wood.



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403217...

[GeniusOfLove]

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

[Swervin_Mervin]

GeniusOfLove said:

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

Depends what sort of bork you'd like to play with I'd suggest.

[rlg43p]

Swervin_Mervin said:

Depends what sort of bork you'd like to play with I'd suggest.

Not sure what you are on about: had my F12 for 6 1/2 years now - £0 spend on bork in that time, its the 3 litre diesel though. The BMW v8s don't have as good a reputation for relaibility.

[Swervin_Mervin]

rlg43p said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

Depends what sort of bork you'd like to play with I'd suggest.

Not sure what you are on about: had my F12 for 6 1/2 years now - £0 spend on bork in that time, its the 3 litre diesel though. The BMW v8s don't have as good a reputation for relaibility.

Given the above was in reference to the 650 posted - that sort of bork So leaky valve stems seals and valley pipes (E63) or hot-V turbo (F-series) shenanigans.

Personally I think the older would be more reliable and the fixes are known and, relatively, simple. But then it doesn't have well north of 400hp...

[biggbn]

GeniusOfLove said:

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

The appeal for me is that it WOULD feel like a car from simpler times, pleasingly old school...I'm an old geezer! I've been lucky and bought a few very low miles cars over the years and had zero issues with them, but if I had 10k say to throw at the 6 I posted it would be in the full knowledge it would be a keeper or worth little in years to come, so just the sort of maths we do buying any car...they are, essentially, consumable items. Buy a 15k supermini and it will lose 10k at least if you keep it any length of time. My wee mini was @7k from memory and was bought with the attitude it will be worth nothing one day but I'll have had my use...and I have had my use and it is virtually worthless after five years!!

Edited by biggbn on Thursday 18th April 19:04

[bolidemichael]

GeniusOfLove said:

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

Nothing an Italian tune up can’t sort

[JeremyH5]

bolidemichael said:

GeniusOfLove said:

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

Nothing an Italian tune up can’t sort

The wonderful thing is that really works. I have witnessed it, nay, done it in our MX5 NC. Took it to a track day after several months of MrsH pottering about in it. First few laps it was as flat as a fart and I though “this is rubbish” but then slowly, lap after lap, it began to produce more power. By the time I fancied a cuppa it was producing all 170 bhp and putting a smile back on my face.

[biggbn]

GeniusOfLove said:

ingenieur said:

Depends what you think of low mileage older cars. I've bought 8 of them over the years. When selling you can ask for a bit more as long as you've not erased the mileage advantage. While I owned them I enjoyed having such a clean example of the model rather than the cheapest one.

I use all my cars a lot so any advantage in low miles is gone almost immediately, but I have also found that a lot of very low mileage cars drive poorly compared to a mid miles well loved example, too many short runs, urban use, not sure what it is but they often don't live up to my hopes.

As you say they're very easy to sell though.

The E63/E64 6 series looks and feels like a very old car now, and not in the good way, you'd have to really be pitching a trouser tent for that particular model and the lowest possible miles to pay for that one I think, a couple of grand more spent on an F06 6 series with twice the miles (which is still low mileage) would make it look very naff indeed I think.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 18th April 14:03

Just had a look at AT online, price is not as ridiculous as I thought. Most good low miles cars around thar age are similar, and none with such low miles...I pass this car every day...might take a look tomorrow...

[Mr Tidy]

rider73 said:

CLS 3xx seems to coming down a lot in price these days - theres lots of tat and the usual "silver on black" combos - but i like this colour with this interior too esp. the two tone leather and darker wood.

That looks fantastic - shame it's a diesel though!

[Hedobot]

The CLS looks stunning, didnt think id say that for the color combo

Personally think the shape is superb, absolutely nailed it with the first generation

I just could not face another DPF motor though.. just too much stress

[GeniusOfLove]

JeremyH5 said:

The wonderful thing is that really works. I have witnessed it, nay, done it in our MX5 NC. Took it to a track day after several months of MrsH pottering about in it. First few laps it was as flat as a fart and I though “this is rubbish” but then slowly, lap after lap, it began to produce more power. By the time I fancied a cuppa it was producing all 170 bhp and putting a smile back on my face.

I've had that experience with a few low milers, a good kicking really loosens them up. Lots of the BCA hatchbacks I impulse buy run like crap for a little while and then sort themselves out with some proper use, it makes me wonder how many are getting traded it for poor running when really it's because they've not been driven for more than 10 minutes in the last decade.

I've also had coolant hoses explode on me the first time out. The two things might be related.

[Mikedknight]

I’ve put up a readers car thing for the half knackered S600 feel free to come over and ridicule/offer advice.

[Rayny]

Friday price and suitably low mileage for Genius :

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16564733