Engine finally ready for Dyno test

[sundance002]

R0162 said:

This all sounds very good but very expensive...
are you also doing something with the gearbox?
I was thinking about tyres and traction, I noticed matts car had 275/40, and I assume there was some well thought out logic behind it, I am wondering if on your car 295/35 would help put that power down and would increase top end making it a true 200mph car.
The power delivery does look nice an linear, but there is just so much of it...lol..I bet your ecu would accept the race logic traction control system..it may be an idea to think about..
Amazing project thread though, you will get a good reaction if posted on the US forums...

Yes it is expensive, but not silly money. I am unable to do the work myself, unlike yourself and others on here, so I have to accept labour costs to, and in total has cost under 7k for everything including new looms, ecu, sensors, Inc, wheel sensors, and all the dyno work and the complete set up and fit.

Have been looking at tyre size, and have been thinking of changing to 295/35 for the rear. With the new gearbox, if it ever gets finished, will also be adding 10% to the gear ratios so will be a true 200+ mph car. We have also designed a new twin plate clutch.


Traction control is being added, like Adrian says, it can be done direct with ecu, but we added wheel sensors so we can monitor wheel slip, and clutch slip. The traction will mainly be for launch and exit speed, and of course to help the torque not to break things..

I'm only sharing this project to help others on here who may want to go a similar route, as some others have gone a diff route ie Andy,And I think it's great that there are so many choices with these cars, and some of us are looking and new ways of developing them, just as Adrian had done many years ago, I should go have a look at the posts of that work,
Did you share your info Adrian?

[Adrian W]

Yes, all of it

[andygtt]

sundance002 said:

R0162 said:

Yes it is expensive, but not silly money. I am unable to do the work myself, unlike yourself and others on here, so I have to accept labour costs to, and in total has cost under 7k for everything including new looms, ecu, sensors, Inc, wheel sensors, and all the dyno work and the complete set up and fit.

given the amount of work involved with changing my etc and mapping etc that doesnt seem at all bad... my motec M800 was 2k alone... the upgrades were another 800... then the loom and the sensors etc etc etc.

Its an expensive option, but worth it for the adjustability and more importantly knowing what the engine is doing... having had 2 high spec engines blow with no ability to isolate the cause just gueswork, im keen to know exactly whats going on... and 7k is cheap compared to a full rebuild in my experience.

Im also going for all wheel sensors and traction etc etc... exciting to have all these toys isnt it

[terrybourne]

Adrian W said:

The traction control can be implemented in the ECU without wheel sensors if the processor is up to it, using a rise of rate of rpm algorithm, if the map has the resolution that Craig has been told it should be a piece of cake. It would also detect a slipping clutch.

Hi Adrian,
To try and make traction control work by watching rise in rpm is a caveman stratergy. In this day and age we use 4x wheel speed sensors and a G sensor useing a 3D graph plotting G verses wheel slip verses ignition retard which can be closed looped to watch exhaust gas temp. Would like to invite you to come and have a look at our system and running software, i think from where you are it will look space age but we can soon get you up to speed.
Regards,
Terry

[TuxMan]

Hi Terry maybe a Noble meet on a Saturday morning might be a good idea ? Very interested in what you are doing !!!

Tux

[Adrian W]

terrybourne said:

i think from where you are it will look space age but we can soon get you up to speed.
Regards,
Terry

Clearly you dont know what i do for a living

[terrybourne]

Adrian W said:

Clearly you dont know what i do for a living

Hi Adrian,
Without getting into a playground style argument, i dont know what you do for a living but i do know that i have spent the last ten years working in lmp as an engine builder and calibration engineer, winning lemans 24hrs in lmp2 in 2006 and building and calibrating the first Radical engine to finish lemans 24hr. Working for life racing/AER and Aston martin racing (Prodrive) in this time. I think the best thing for this thread is as TUX said we organise a open day at Bespoke or at my workshop to show all you guys what we do and how it is acheived.
Regards
Terry

[mgbond]

terrybourne said:

.... Would like to invite you to come and have a look at our system and running software, i think from where you are it will look space age but we can soon get you up to speed.
Regards,
Terry

Not to Me and Steve as we build Space Ships. lol

I would be up for a Sat Visit but not to soon though, My next few Weekend are busy.

Bondy

[andygtt]

mgbond said:

terrybourne said:

.... Would like to invite you to come and have a look at our system and running software, i think from where you are it will look space age but we can soon get you up to speed.
Regards,
Terry

Not to Me and Steve as we build Space Ships. lol

I would be up for a Sat Visit but not to soon though, My next few Weekend are busy.

Bondy

As a bean counter I dont even understand space let alone ECU's... Id be very interested in a visit

[951]

andygtt said:

As a bean counter I dont even understand space let alone ECU's... Id be very interested in a visit

+1

[sundance002]

Here's a few more pics of oil cooler (engine) now fitted, and the fuel pump , and a few other shinny new bits.

[SwankBaton]

Craig - With all the work to keep it cooler in the back, did you decide it wasnt worth using a bigger mesh on the side pods?

[Juno]

terrybourne said:

Hi Adrian,
Without getting into a playground style argument, i dont know what you do for a living but i do know that i have spent the last ten years working in lmp as an engine builder and calibration engineer, winning lemans 24hrs in lmp2 in 2006 and building and calibrating the first Radical engine to finish lemans 24hr. Working for life racing/AER and Aston martin racing (Prodrive) in this time. I think the best thing for this thread is as TUX said we organise a open day at Bespoke or at my workshop to show all you guys what we do and how it is acheived.
Regards
Terry

Hardly qualified to work on Adrians Noble then

So just to get this right LMP2 Le Mans Win, Radical SR9 development etc etc etc but not qualified to work on Nobles LMFAO

300hp Juno Please

Nice Job

Doing much for the next 10 years

[andygtt]

Juno said:

So just to get this right LMP2 Le Mans Win, Radical SR9 development etc etc etc but not qualified to work on Nobles LMFAO

is that a statement?.... as knowone else has suggested that.

all that adrian has questioned is the Knock detection techniques... seeing as he actually supplies ecu electronics to manufacturers i'm guessing he understands it a lot better than the rest of us.

lets be clear, what has been done to sundances car is awsome and it WILL be way better than the MBE... maybe it wont make more power than the MBE is capable of, but it will be a lot safer IMO.

Looks like it will be hitting the roads soon... will it stay in essex long enough for us to get a test ride?????

[Gadgeroonie]

does the oil cooler use water from the radiator or does it have its own system

[TuxMan]

Hi Craig great work , tell me was there any talk of fitting a fuel cooler ???

Tux

[terrybourne]

Juno said:

Hardly qualified to work on Adrians Noble then

So just to get this right LMP2 Le Mans Win, Radical SR9 development etc etc etc but not qualified to work on Nobles LMFAO

300hp Juno Please

Nice Job

Doing much for the next 10 years

Hi Mate,
Are you still looking at booking your Honda in with us? Give me a call as im going to be away with the VdeV series and would like to book you in.

Cheers,
Terry

[GTO600]

sundance002 said:

Here's a few more pics of oil cooler (engine) now fitted, and the fuel pump , and a few other shinny new bits.

Craig are you sure that's your engine oil cooler ? Really does look like its for your gearbox.

[sundance002]

GTO600 said:

Craig are you sure that's your engine oil cooler ? Really does look like its for your gearbox.

My mistake, yep it's the gearbox cooler and pump, and the fuel regulator , and fuel pump.

[Gadgeroonie]

Do the oil and gearbox coolers have thier own separate radiators?