New power plant Option

[gafernandez]

[gafernandez]

[Gadgeroonie]

Cant wait to see a video of it running

what made you want to ditch the 3.0 v6 ?

[AMG Merc]

Gadgeroonie said:

Cant wait to see a video of it running

Would love a drive/ride in that puppy

[Gadgeroonie]

how heavy is the engine/box compared to a 3.0 ?

[gafernandez]

Why am i doing this mostly the turbo issues "heat", parts availability for the transmissions, and just overall complexity of the V6 turbo power plant.
The GM LS and the GM F4O transmission are readily available and very reliable.I also felt it would be a great retrofit or new car option if I could figure out how to do it with out modifing the chassis. This is going to be a direct bolt in option.

The main reason, I was told it could not be done. Well that is all it took to push me over the edge

[gafernandez]

Weight the answer is surprisingly similar.
The new motor is 60lb heavier but the turbos and intercooler way 83lbs not including all the hoses and clamps.

I did base line the weight of the car before I started so we will see when it is all done

[gafernandez]

I will be happy to give you a ride. Come visit me in Dayton Ohio in the US.
Would love to make a UK version any volunteer's

[Blu3R]

gafernandez said:

I will be happy to give you a ride. Come visit me in Dayton Ohio in the US.
Would love to make a UK version any volunteer's

When you're done can you turbo it?

[gafernandez]

Yes but why would you want too. I can make 700bhp comfortably or push it a little and make 800

[JW027]

gafernandez said:

Interesting. How are you using the solidworks simulations in this case? I have'nt done any fluid flow simulations but would be very interested to see how accurate and essential this has been in your development.

[sundance002]

This is a Rossion? Not an M12? The Rossion is 8inch longer than the M12 so be very suprised to see it in the M12, would like to be wrong though

[andygtt]

sundance002 said:

This is a Rossion? Not an M12? The Rossion is 8inch longer than the M12 so be very suprised to see it in the M12, would like to be wrong though

I believe they run the same chassis.... certainly looking at the pics the engine bay and tub looks identical.

I read the thread on the american forum and its claimed this LS engine is only 19lbs heavier as a package than the Ford V6 we run.... certainly from the research I have done a large NA V engine should weigh similar to our package.

Of cause the box might be heavier... but we all long for a beefed up box were 5th isn't a concern.

This could be a major step forward in a surprising direction... looking forward to seeing the finished item

[V1DL3R]

gafernandez said:

The main reason, I was told it could not be done. Well that is all it took to push me over the edge

I like this man!

[F.C.]

V1DL3R said:

I like this man!

+1 what he said.

[sundance002]

andygtt said:

I believe they run the same chassis.... certainly looking at the pics the engine bay and tub looks identical.

I read the thread on the american forum and its claimed this LS engine is only 19lbs heavier as a package than the Ford V6 we run.... certainly from the research I have done a large NA V engine should weigh similar to our package.

Of cause the box might be heavier... but we all long for a beefed up box were 5th isn't a concern.

This could be a major step forward in a surprising direction... looking forward to seeing the finished item

I would like to be wrong but i know im not, they extended the chassis at the rear to make the room for the box to be inline around 8inches and that made a big diff to the way they drive, not as well balanced as M12, they had one at bespoke speak to Skip he will confirm, great idea but it will not fit the M12 with gearbox inline, it was the only way they could get it to fit the rossion, they are chalk and chease in the way they drive completly diff car, sorry to say

Edited by sundance002 on Thursday 4th December 22:30

[sundance002]

kenloen said:

its been done..

You can see from this pic the extended size of the inter cooler housing and the below this it extends to the end of box hence it sits a way behind rear wheels
Hence the rear clam is longer than ours

[F.C.]

sundance002 said:

kenloen said:

its been done..

You can see from this pic the extended size of the inter cooler housing and the below this it extends to the end of box hence it sits a way behind rear wheels
Hence the rear clam is longer than ours

That's not the transverse layout in discussion.
You need to have a look at the OP's picture which has been shoehorned into a standard un-modified chassis.

[gafernandez]

The Rossion and the noble chassis are the same and I did not extend the chassis. There are absolutely no mods to the chassis. I is a direct bolt in

[kenloen]

F.C. said:

sundance002 said:

kenloen said:

its been done..

You can see from this pic the extended size of the inter cooler housing and the below this it extends to the end of box hence it sits a way behind rear wheels
Hence the rear clam is longer than ours

That's not the transverse layout in discussion.
You need to have a look at the OP's picture which has been shoehorned into a standard un-modified chassis.

this is a UK car, its not mine, was done by the workshop completed some body repairs for me!