Rear afterburner lights.

Rear afterburner lights.

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LazyRoss18

423 posts

141 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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ca700470 said:


Here's a photo of my afterburners.
Those are Noble Mods Tail-Blazers not afterburners?

GTO600

1,877 posts

251 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Afterburners look like this -

Blu3R

2,368 posts

199 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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LazyRoss18 said:
ca700470 said:


Here's a photo of my afterburners.
Those are Noble Mods Tail-Blazers not afterburners?
Correct.


V1DL3R

560 posts

129 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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LazyRoss18 said:
Is there not an MOT requirement that the rear fog light be a certain distance from the rear brake lights?
Don't think so Ross. I think it's just needs to be clearly visible to vehicles at a certain degree of angle behind you. I have a Nissan Figaro which I bought for the Mrs and that just has one bolted on the bottom of the rear bumper in the centre.

sundance002

1,304 posts

164 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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I have been trying for years to get some made. I spoke with a guy called Dave, who worked for Quad Conversions, who made and designed the lights for the LM500 marcus and Mondao. They changed to a company called Grantly Design who threw it all in the bin.
The Company who took over production, but of course not the Marcus or Mondao anymore, they are called Morrettie, I wrote to them but had no reply, I mentioned 30 sets but,it seems they are not interested.Maybe if a few people start to write they may sit up and take notice.

If i new how to copy and paste with this poxy HTC1 M8 i would post the replys i got, for someone else to try.

Edited by sundance002 on Wednesday 11th February 09:18

Adrian W

13,870 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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sundance002 said:
I have been trying for years to get some made. I spoke with a guy called Dave, who worked for Quad Conversions, who made and designed the lights for the LM500 marcus and Mondao. They changed to a company called Grantly Design who threw it all in the bin.
The Company who took over production, but of course not the Marcus or Mondao anymore, they are called Morrettie, I wrote to them but had no reply, I mentioned 30 sets but,it seems they are not interested.Maybe if a few people start to write they may sit up and take notice
The problem is no one is going to get excited about a few sets of lights, the tooling alone for the last set I did was over £500,000

F.C.

3,897 posts

208 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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V1DL3R said:
I have a Nissan Figaro which I bought for the Mrs and that just has one bolted on the bottom of the rear bumper in the centre.
That's because it's a jap import and it was needed for import purposes.
fog lamps aren't mandatory for JDM.

sundance002

1,304 posts

164 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Adrian W said:
The problem is no one is going to get excited about a few sets of lights, the tooling alone for the last set I did was over £500,000
This is what I thought, but had to give it a shot.
It must be easy to take a mould from ours and make in carbon by hand?(if you know how of course) Then just,fit the LEDs internals?

StreetDragster

1,518 posts

218 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Prior to having mine frenched in i approached a number of small moulding shops to see if i could get a bolt in solution.

They were not keen on doing the job, they said it would be incredibly difficult to mould the front of the lights to produce the look wanted, and then mould the back accurately so they will bolt in on the existing points maintaining all gaps and flush sides with surrounding panels. They wouldn't quote on what they would charge to do it.
Whereas with the frenched version only the front profile needs reproducing, hence i went that route, plus it removes all shapes of mondeo from the back which i what i wanted.

The easiest way i think is to get some spare lamps, and find someone to reproduce the front face, using the rear light cluster to reproduce the part that bolts to the car

matt

Edited by StreetDragster on Wednesday 11th February 19:06

mgbond

6,749 posts

232 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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sundance002 said:
This is what I thought, but had to give it a shot.
It must be easy to take a mould from ours and make in carbon by hand?(if you know how of course) Then just,fit the LEDs internals?
These days you just need a CAd model and then print the moulds?

sundance002

1,304 posts

164 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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mgbond said:
These days you just need a CAd model and then print the moulds?
Can that be done in a black?
And would it be strong enough?
Surely, if it was that simple someone would be on it?
Come on own up who has the skill and able to draw the CAD, and have a printer good enough for the job.

Blu3R

2,368 posts

199 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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The trouble is the size. A 3d printer capable of printing a piece the size of a rear cluster housing would be in the £thousands and even with the best resolution you're still going to need to skim them with filler to take out the steps. It could be done with a smaller printer if you made them in pieces and then assembled them, then fill, prime & paint.

sundance002

1,304 posts

164 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Blu3R said:
The trouble is the size. A 3d printer capable of printing a piece the size of a rear cluster housing would be in the £thousands and even with the best resolution you're still going to need to skim them with filler to take out the steps. It could be done with a smaller printer if you made them in pieces and then assembled them, then fill, prime & paint.
Good idea, maybe two pieces, then give them to someone to finish and paint, if like me dont have the time to diy. Could you scan one of ours straight to the printer?

Blu3R

2,368 posts

199 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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My friend says the easier way is to create a CAD model from the original Mondeo clusters - front and back - then design the frenched areas from the basic shape. I've got the Mondeo clusters so we just need to get around to doing it.

Adrian W

13,870 posts

228 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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If someone can do a cad file, why not get an sla done and then take a mould

mgbond

6,749 posts

232 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Again u can get scanners that scan the object and make a 3D model these days I don't think it's very porous and u can 3D print in titanium now. A scanner for this size of job might be a specialist job at a work place rather than someone has it at home.

searsy

208 posts

282 months

Friday 13th February 2015
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bernhund said:
I've got afterburners on mine, however one of them mists up! Any ideas how to permanently cure this?

(I'm now expecting one of you guys to say 'yeh, give them to me!)
Yes please smile

But honestly there is a surprisingly large demand for replacement rear lights as threads about this just keep popping up, expect most would have a set if they were the right price, the lamps are available as we say, its just the mould - sorry I'm far too non-techie to help there frown

Edited by searsy on Friday 13th February 13:16

stonkn

Original Poster:

100 posts

248 months

Friday 13th February 2015
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Hi,
Since I started this, I think I better summarise where I am and what the future holds for these lights as I am now doing the following..

As a automotive design consultant, I have access to a digital printer, CAD, scanning equipment etc. However, very few printers are large enough to make a light PNL in one piece, but I can get access to one. It is not the correct process though as has been correctly pointed out in the thread & scanning, CAD + cutting proto tools for the panels directly from Cad into Ureal is a £10k job. So, if I can find a pair of Mondeo lights (no success so far) I will use the surface from an existing lamp as a GRP splash. I plan to use the new round modular lamps form Hella (I have a trade Acc) which are larger than the old driver units used on these panels & thus I will create the panels by claying them up to start in the GRP PNL’s taken from the Mondeo units. I will then take a mould & make components.

Once I have the moulds I can make them in GRP, CFRP etc.

As has already been pointed out, volumes are so small that no manufacturer will lay down injection mould tooling for these lights + the moulding run would be vastly expensive. I commision these types of tool all the time & a suite of 4 cavities for an inner & outer panel for these would be £250-300K if bought in Asia I estimate.

kenloen

303 posts

137 months

Friday 13th February 2015
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Gents,
Given the interest I have sent a short request to the guy who done some bodywork repairs for me in the past, including rear clam, you might have seen them advertised on eBay at various times.

He is interested in taking this on as a project, as in taking moldings off an existing set of rear lights/afterburners and then reproducing exact copies. (there would be no damage incurred)

Would anyone be willing to lend their rear lights for a given time for this to happen?

If possible the next step would be to discuss turnaround, volume and prices. if this would be a finished product or part DIY (unfinished, you paint and bolt on leds type assemblies)..

cheers Jason

tonyvan

909 posts

208 months

Friday 13th February 2015
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id be up for a set of the noble mods tail blazers versions.