Rear afterburner lights.
Discussion
I'd be happy with a set of either type and happy to help out with sourcing and haggling where necessary as it's what I do...no techie stuff though my brain does not do techie 
There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here
There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here searsy said:
I'd be happy with a set of either type and happy to help out with sourcing and haggling where necessary as it's what I do...no techie stuff though my brain does not do techie There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here
I'm not sure you have read this and the other threads, but! As you are such an excellent procurement professional why wait for these two projects, with your skills you must be able to find a supplier who can deliver price quality and quantity. There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here As automotive lighting has become my core business over the last few years I am very interested in what you come up with, I have already said the last project I did like this had an NRE cost in excess of £500k, if these guys can do it at a fraction of that they are doing very well,
Adrian W said:
searsy said:
I'd be happy with a set of either type and happy to help out with sourcing and haggling where necessary as it's what I do...no techie stuff though my brain does not do techie There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here
I'm not sure you have read this and the other threads, but! As you are such an excellent procurement professional why wait for these two projects, with your skills you must be able to find a supplier who can deliver price quality and quantity. There have been so many good attempts at getting these I really hope this one materialises as it sounds like there is good progress here As automotive lighting has become my core business over the last few years I am very interested in what you come up with, I have already said the last project I did like this had an NRE cost in excess of £500k, if these guys can do it at a fraction of that they are doing very well,
After all they are not talking about making the bulbs and reflects etc (which i think you are)... just a unit to house existing aftermarket items.
andygtt said:
come on Adrian, I don't think the afterburner lights had an NRE cost of more that £2k let alone £500... I made front lights on my noble for a NRE cost of under £500, thats moulds and new lights units... I recon I could do the same for the rear as well, its not rocket science.
After all they are not talking about making the bulbs and reflects etc (which i think you are)... just a unit to house existing aftermarket items.
Unfortunately I can't discuss it here as you know, other than to say what I already have, After all they are not talking about making the bulbs and reflects etc (which i think you are)... just a unit to house existing aftermarket items.
andygtt said:
come on Adrian, I don't think the afterburner lights had an NRE cost of more that £2k let alone £500... I made front lights on my noble for a NRE cost of under £500, thats moulds and new lights units... I recon I could do the same for the rear as well, its not rocket science.
After all they are not talking about making the bulbs and reflects etc (which i think you are)... just a unit to house existing aftermarket items.
Put me down for a set AndyAfter all they are not talking about making the bulbs and reflects etc (which i think you are)... just a unit to house existing aftermarket items.
stonkn said:
Hi,
So, if I can find a pair of Mondeo lights (no success so far) I will use the surface from an existing lamp as a GRP splash.
Im not interested in new lights as I will probably eventually make my own with LED's etc... however I do have a spare set in my spare rear clam... as long as I get them back I am happy to loan you.So, if I can find a pair of Mondeo lights (no success so far) I will use the surface from an existing lamp as a GRP splash.
You might have to remove them from the clam though.
Adrian W said:
I'm not sure you have read this and the other threads, but! As you are such an excellent procurement professional why wait for these two projects, with your skills you must be able to find a supplier who can deliver price quality and quantity.
As automotive lighting has become my core business over the last few years I am very interested in what you come up with, I have already said the last project I did like this had an NRE cost in excess of £500k, if these guys can do it at a fraction of that they are doing very well,
Adrian, why do feel the need to be so bloody pompous??? As automotive lighting has become my core business over the last few years I am very interested in what you come up with, I have already said the last project I did like this had an NRE cost in excess of £500k, if these guys can do it at a fraction of that they are doing very well,
wessexrfc said:
Adrian, why do feel the need to be so bloody pompous???
There is no pomposity intended, the best bet to bring in some lamps at a sensible cost is Stonkn, as he has the resources, facilities and skillset to pull it off, if it were a case of slapping a few suppliers about do you not think we would have already done this. There we go, some constructive input, rather than poopooing others endeavours to better an area that alot of us feel is in need for improvement and is done on the basis of then sharing with the masses for them to then benefit. You should be the go-to man but I never get the feeling your that keen to share the wealth of your considerable knowledge. Maybe I'm wrong, suffice to say I take my hat off to those that try, I've had a go and got close, its not easy and again Bol to those trying!!
Good morning.
Ok, as new kid on the block here, I am not going to tell everybody ‘how it really is’ but can I ask for a time-out for a minute.
These following items are the facts…….
1) I am going to undertake new rear lights for my 3R with proprietary LED driver units – I am meeting the company who supply them, & who I know well, latter this week. The units will be slightly different to the old ‘afterburner’ driver units.
2) Each unit will be a GRP or CFRP inner (mount) & outer skin – I am planning to take the skin over the clam to the grille to delete the soft facet (dent) in the clam which is there only as the Mondeo light dictated it.
3) Without forming a mutual appreciation society, please don’t get upset with Adrian – he is completely correct. However, let me clarify what might be the disconnect here in peoples minds. We are, as pointed out, talking about some GRP skins…following my hands on route will cost hundreds not thousands but I am only making the ‘support’ panel…not the actual LED’s or optics. As previously mentioned, I design components & complete body systems for major OEM’s & certain very low volume racing car companies in metallic & polymer materials….I also buy the tooling & a set of injection mould tools for a modern set of rear lights is £3-400K+ dependant on design/size/technology etc. Using a supplied set of LED driver units takes a lot of the pain & cost away from what I plan!!!
4) If at the end of my efforts, & it will take a few months, anybody wants a set of mouldings, that will not be a problem & I can supply the LEDs driver rings as well as I buy them in bulk anyway.
I am not trying to stop anybody else doing what they want to do. If we all clubbed together we could do it semi properly eg – I would laser scan the light unit & the surface (pocket) it sits into. We would construct CAD from the scan for the rear mounting box & fixings. My stylist would work up the design in Alias (studio software) & after establishing B surface design & detail, I would output the surface CAD to a CNC & cut the tools directly. The above will cost £10k +…. & that is for a GRP type set of mouldings. If we designed injection mouldings with optics, the design process alone would be £50-100k…that’s before we get to tools.
Hope that helps….
Marco
Ok, as new kid on the block here, I am not going to tell everybody ‘how it really is’ but can I ask for a time-out for a minute.
These following items are the facts…….
1) I am going to undertake new rear lights for my 3R with proprietary LED driver units – I am meeting the company who supply them, & who I know well, latter this week. The units will be slightly different to the old ‘afterburner’ driver units.
2) Each unit will be a GRP or CFRP inner (mount) & outer skin – I am planning to take the skin over the clam to the grille to delete the soft facet (dent) in the clam which is there only as the Mondeo light dictated it.
3) Without forming a mutual appreciation society, please don’t get upset with Adrian – he is completely correct. However, let me clarify what might be the disconnect here in peoples minds. We are, as pointed out, talking about some GRP skins…following my hands on route will cost hundreds not thousands but I am only making the ‘support’ panel…not the actual LED’s or optics. As previously mentioned, I design components & complete body systems for major OEM’s & certain very low volume racing car companies in metallic & polymer materials….I also buy the tooling & a set of injection mould tools for a modern set of rear lights is £3-400K+ dependant on design/size/technology etc. Using a supplied set of LED driver units takes a lot of the pain & cost away from what I plan!!!
4) If at the end of my efforts, & it will take a few months, anybody wants a set of mouldings, that will not be a problem & I can supply the LEDs driver rings as well as I buy them in bulk anyway.
I am not trying to stop anybody else doing what they want to do. If we all clubbed together we could do it semi properly eg – I would laser scan the light unit & the surface (pocket) it sits into. We would construct CAD from the scan for the rear mounting box & fixings. My stylist would work up the design in Alias (studio software) & after establishing B surface design & detail, I would output the surface CAD to a CNC & cut the tools directly. The above will cost £10k +…. & that is for a GRP type set of mouldings. If we designed injection mouldings with optics, the design process alone would be £50-100k…that’s before we get to tools.
Hope that helps….
Marco
Adrian W said:
There is no pomposity intended, the best bet to bring in some lamps at a sensible cost is Stonkn, as he has the resources, facilities and skillset to pull it off, if it were a case of slapping a few suppliers about do you not think we would have already done this.
'Slapping suppliers about' So is what I do is it???? Yeah thanks for that, as I have previously said there is some real talent on this forum, but there are also some very 'mines better then yours' individuals. Grow up and put your frickin toys back in your pram!Edited by searsy on Tuesday 17th February 13:41
the bodyshop I have dealt with would take an existing set of lights and make molds of them (we would need someone to lend them for a week). He would then reproduce that in GRP, it would be limited run and I'm guessing it would cost under £100 per set. you would then need to buy in the led lights from svc and screw together yourself.
I could possibley borrow an off-side afterburner rear light, would this be of any use, could this be scanned and reversed, would that work? I would be interested in a retro-fit light unit, not sure if thats what stonkn is looking at doing?? Seems kenloen is looking at this route.......
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