RE: Noble M15 signals change of direction

[Marlon]

If its even half as good as it sounds then it will be a tremendous achievement - well done Noble.

[amg merc]

micknall said:

..if we say it's bespoke, we mean it! Simon

Yep Simon like when your M12 brochure mistakenly specified Xenon headlamp bulbs as standard - (I'm smiling!)!

[Marlon]

Didn't TVR build a bespoke gearbox for their T400/440/Typhon/Cyclone/Vaklyrie?

[GTRene]

amg merc said:

oppressed mass said: GTRene said: finaly they will get that stupid(thats my oppignion) V6 ford engine out! and put in a V8 a Noble diserve's Gene Have you driven an M12? I was lucky enough to drive one rated at circa 365hp and the stupid Ford engine is sensational (havent yet had a chance at the latest monster but if anyones offering...). Big V8's are not, I believe, in the Noble M12/M14/M15 ethos being generally too cumbersome / heavy for a car as nimble as this. These cars are an excellent combination of power / weight / torque etc. The whole package works beautifully, putting a big V8 in could upset the balance of this car and would, I believe, miss the point entirely. Well thats my opinion anyway, i'll get off my now Agree with your comments re fitting a V8 in a Noble - there is, however, one benefit of a V8 motor I'd like on a Noble and that's the sound!

I don't like the look of the Ford V6 in the engine bay! I don't like turbo that much! I don't like V6!, though its a fast car, ok but I dont like the sound eighter!
A V8 does not have to be heavy...just look at the RST V8 it only weights 75kg

or remember the fantastic freestream F1 for the road? about 465kg?(total car!) and 485ps?? V8...1000hp per/ton! its possible and don't have to cost a lot! I also don't like the Ugly silver piece of the interior of the Noble that silver piece in the middle of the dasch where some clocks are?
anyway I like most of the car and how it goes and heard about, but I just don't like the Ford V6 turbo engine! and that silver dash thing shape!
So change that and the engine, you know you want too
GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Monday 27th February 22:07

[joust]

If you want a V8 in a Noble you probably don't "get" the rational behind the car. Go and buy a Marcos, it'll be better for you.

It suits me fine, and I've got a car on order. Judging by Noble's order books, there are more than enough others just like me.

Alternativly, just go and drive one and then see if you want a V8 in it.

J

[GTRene]

Mr Noble said:

GTRene said: finaly they will get that stupid V6 ford engine out! GTRene What exactally is "stupid" about the current V6 engine? Would you care to elaborate upon your findings and enlighten us with your knowledge and experience of the M12's dynamics and abilities and to share with us your reasons for thinking the car has a "stupid" engine? GN

You can read another thread of mine here...V6 turbo ford I have seen them and heard them and also owned 2 long ago(not in a Noble I have never had) but when I heard and saw it in the Noble's and saw that silver dash thing...not good, and my wish to own one was instand over... when you change that silver dash thing and change the engine in a good light V8 I will consider in the future to buy a Noble produkt and put it on my "want to have list" again, thanks.(though the steeringwheel and position is great and so are those lovely seats! and more ofcorse but those I wanted to point out)
GTRene

[amg merc]

GTRene said:

Mr Noble said: GTRene said: finaly they will get that stupid V6 ford engine out! GTRene What exactally is "stupid" about the current V6 engine? Would you care to elaborate upon your findings and enlighten us with your knowledge and experience of the M12's dynamics and abilities and to share with us your reasons for thinking the car has a "stupid" engine? GN You can read another thread of mine here...V6 turbo ford I have seen them and heard them and also owned 2 long ago(not in a Noble I have never had) but when I heard and saw it in the Noble's and saw that silver dash thing...not good, and my wish to own one was instand over... when you change that silver dash thing and change the engine in a good light V8 I will consider in the future to buy a Noble produkt and put it on my "want to have list" again, thanks.(though the steeringwheel and position is great and so are those lovely seats! and more ofcorse but those I wanted to point out) GTRene

GTRene, welcome to the house of Noble! I'm afraid you are missing the point of the Noble but it's late, I have a fresh beer open and I can't be bothered to explain (again)!

[GTRene]

Good point have fun there
GTRene

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

GTRene said:

...just look at the RST V8 it only weights 75kg ....

So it's light. But it's got 190lbs/ft @ 7800rpm. The 3R has 350lbs/ft @ 3000rpm.

It'll sound good but it's not going to push you around very fast.

[worty]

GTRene said:

Mr Noble said: GTRene said: finaly they will get that stupid V6 ford engine out! GTRene What exactally is "stupid" about the current V6 engine? Would you care to elaborate upon your findings and enlighten us with your knowledge and experience of the M12's dynamics and abilities and to share with us your reasons for thinking the car has a "stupid" engine? GN You can read another thread of mine here...V6 turbo ford I have seen them and heard them and also owned 2 long ago(not in a Noble I have never had) but when I heard and saw it in the Noble's and saw that silver dash thing...not good, and my wish to own one was instand over... when you change that silver dash thing and change the engine in a good light V8 I will consider in the future to buy a Noble produkt and put it on my "want to have list" again, thanks.(though the steeringwheel and position is great and so are those lovely seats! and more ofcorse but those I wanted to point out) GTRene

It appears that its not just a language issue.

[mr2turbo300]

GTRene,
Just been looking at your profile, what a car! I like all the bits except the yellow/green parts. - notice the similarity in colour.
Seriously each to their own and there are plenty of people who have changed the silver bit.
Rob

[Doug Axelrod]

All I can say is that, in my experience, nothing changes direction faster than a Noble.
Doug in Cincinnati
(yea, we're LITERAL around here...)

[joust]

GTRene said:

You can read another thread of mine here...V6 turbo ford I have seen them and heard them and also owned 2 long ago(not in a Noble I have never had) but when I heard and saw it in the Noble's and saw that silver dash thing...not good, and my wish to own one was instand over... when you change that silver dash thing and change the engine in a good light V8 I will consider in the future to buy a Noble produkt and put it on my "want to have list" again, thanks.(though the steeringwheel and position is great and so are those lovely seats! and more ofcorse but those I wanted to point out) GTRene

As you say in your profile, there is always the "classic" Noble (), the Ultima, if you want to go down that route.

J

[GTRene]

mr2turbo300 said:

GTRene, Just been looking at your profile, what a car! I like all the bits except the yellow/green parts. - notice the similarity in colour. Seriously each to their own and there are plenty of people who have changed the silver bit. Rob

I know, not realy much to choose when I wanted the S54 version, 2 options at that time a yellow and a black, I like black its my number one...but the black car was 6.000,- euro more and i only buy second hand...so choise was "easy" the yellow and save 6.000,-
Ofcorse the Nobles are great cars! but when I personaly have 2 points that I don't like on the Noble does not mean Its a bad car! only my personal opignion
Have fun I don't wanted to affend? anny of you Noble guys! I would like it over my car ofcorse, but when i could choose free...then it be no silver dash thing and no V6 thats it.
GTRene

[amg merc]

Doug Axelrod said:

All I can say is that, in my experience, nothing changes direction faster than a Noble. Doug in Cincinnati (yea, we're LITERAL around here...)

..."changes direction like a fly"

[jamieheasman]

I disagree with people who think a V8 is not in keeping with the Noble concept. To say such a thing is to regard all V8s in the same category. For example, how can you compare the power delivery and aural qualities of say TVR's AJP8, Jaguar's V8, Lotus Esprit turbo V8 and the RST V8? You can't, and that's just a few of the 'British' offerings.

This debate about V8s in a Noble just brings back the question I had when the M14 was announced - why? Who would choose a car with pretty much the same chassis, the same engine (with the same power) and pretty much all the other components and pay half as much again? I always thought it would be a good idea to put a nice V8 into the M14 to justify it's price tag and distance it from the M12. It would seem Noble have come to the same conclusion hence the bespoke gearbox (transaxle not doubt) and different chassis.

I'm sure whatever engine is chosen for the M15 it will work well for it's designated purpose and the whole car will be stunning. Given the pedigree of the people involved how can you doubt it?

I'd also like to nominate the M14 styling to replace the current 3R's as a sort of major facelift! (want-not-waste-not!).

[oppressed mass]

Doug Axelrod said:

All I can say is that, in my experience, nothing changes direction faster than a Noble.

Except a politician

[joolski]

jamieheasman said:

I'm sure whatever engine is chosen for the M15 it will work well for it's designated purpose and the whole car will be stunning. Given the pedigree of the people involved how can you doubt it?

I think the V6 3L turbo was chosen, mostly because it is proven. There are a large number of cars out there with the 3L and 2.5L variants of the engine, and it works a treat.

The current transverse installation of the engine has compomised the dynamics of the engine a tad, due to the limitations of the transmission, I think with the current in line approach, the 3L engine will be able to sing in all it's glory !

This car will also be bringing along a new kind of owner, who does not really want to 'debug' the car, and with all the experience gained from the 3/3R/M400 the engine should be pretty bullet proof.

I'm really looking forward to seeing the new car in the flesh. I've been trying not think about it as I want it to be a nice supprise.

Bugger, I've just started to think about my nice bright orange M15... getting all tingly :-)

--Jools

[V6GTO]

GTrene...you say you don't like the Ford V6 based on you having owned two. I find it hard to understand why you dislike the Duratech V6 because you had a couple of Ford V6s. The engines you had were probably Ford Colone or Essex engines which have nothingto do with the motor in the Noble, apart from the tenuous link that Ford own Duratech.

Martin.

[oppressed mass]

joolski said:

The current transverse installation of the engine has compomised the dynamics of the engine a tad, due to the limitations of the transmission, I think with the current in line approach, the 3L engine will be able to sing in all it's glory !

Usually, in a transverse installation the differential ( and therefore drive shaft centreline) sits below the input shaft centre line which sets the overall height of the transmission. In a N/S application the drive shaft centreline can be at the same height as the input / crank shaft line therefore lower installation in chassis therefore lower CoG.

Can't wait to see this car - certainly sounds like it's designed to take the foundation provided by the M12 and build on it to make an even better proposition - I just need the pay rise...