Clarkson - Shoot out - Surely not.

[mduroe]

The hairy beastie been up to his old tricks again. He reckons the 3R doesn't handle as well on the limit at the old 2.5 and indeed has demoted it in his rankings because of it. Not quite taking the fact he thought the VX220 was better too much to heart, but wondered if anyone who's given the 2.5 and the 3r some serious welly if they could confirm if he's talking out of the top of his exceedingly hairy head or not.

Mine comes in 2 weeks. Any advice from anyone as to what I should or shouldn't do when I pick it up. Many thanks. Marcos

[TimW]

I got that DVD for xmas..
The carver is just soo cool!

[murcielago]

I got it too

[nick francis]

me too.. Ive only watched the bits with Noble, 911, TVR and the VX220 so far..

[3rtt]

Marcus, When you pick your car up, drive it and enjoy it.

I also got the 'Shoot Out' DVD for Christmas (I think Martin Brundle's Super Cars is better. See another topic). I think Clarkson is being too subjective for the sake of the DVD. In the recent Top Gear a couple of weeks ago, he could not praise the 3R enough. No talk of the old 2.5 being better on the limit.

I have not driven a 2.5 on the limit but own a 3R and have driven at Rockingham's National circuit once since taking delivery in October. I believe the LSD in the new 6 speed box rewards the driver if driven more progressively through a corner, getting on power early, and feeding the power through the apex, rather than on a trailing throttle into the corner and just booting it to let the inside wheel spin, like on the 2.5 with no LSD.

I'm sure Justin can confirm if this is the case, as he has driven both the 2.5 (up graded) which he owns and the 3R.

The 3R will give you much more driving pleasure, feedback and pure fun than your porky. I would'nt worry too much about what Clarky has said in the DVD.

Cheers,
Ian.

>> Edited by 3rtt on Saturday 27th December 22:04

[joust]

Horses for courses I would say.

I'm biased (cause I've got a 2.5), but I do prefer the 2.5 in some circumstances , and on the road I find the 2.5 very easy to drive even in terrible conditions, whereas others have said they find the 3 a bit more "tetchy" but that could just be down to the greater power.

Sometimes the 5 gears are better spaced than the 6 (Rockingham on the "up the hill" after the sharp righthander is a point in case), but the 6 will make things "nicer"...

However my 2.5l has a LSD, 3.0l exhaust system and power upgrades so is pretty close to a 3 anyway.

So - which is better - very hard. On track the 3R will leave a 2.5l but so much will be down to the driver. On the road a 2.5l may suit the owner that prefers slightly more overall suitability than "full on" - the delivery onboost of the 3 is that much faster that if it happened mid corner it could easily catch out an unwary owner - however if you know what you are doing then there probably isn't much in it.

Either car is amazing at the end of the day - and perhaps the 3 is suffering from jurno "gota find something wrong" at the hands of Mr Clarkson???

J

[nildram]

I think JC just drives like a hooligan on an airfield, and the car with LSD isn't quite as forgiving when doing that.