Cybertruck LMFAO

[Lefty]

EmailAddress said:

Lefty said:

Anyone know the GVW?

2700-3200kg

Interesting. I seem to recall the Rivian is 3200kg dry, virtually ruling it out for uk users - otherwise needing 7.5t licence, possibly a tacho and all kinds of VOSA complications

[EmailAddress]

Lefty said:

EmailAddress said:

Lefty said:

Anyone know the GVW?

2700-3200kg

Interesting. I seem to recall the Rivian is 3200kg dry, virtually ruling it out for uk users - otherwise needing 7.5t licence, possibly a tacho and all kinds of VOSA complications

Take that with a pinch of salt to a degree.

I rounded the 'insider info' I could find that was as current as possible.

Lowest is very dry and with smallest motor / battery combo.

Still, seems fairly light for the tow rating, and range potential etc.

[Chipper]

EmailAddress said:

Also, Tesla have killed people bodging their way there...

Making a statement that Tesla has been involved in fatalities is quite bold. I'm anticipating you'll now share various links or instances where Tesla has faced legal action related to manslaughter which has been proven.

[EmailAddress]

Chipper said:

EmailAddress said:

Also, Tesla have killed people bodging their way there...

Making a statement that Tesla has been involved in fatalities is quite bold. I'm anticipating you'll now share various links or instances where Tesla has faced legal action related to manslaughter which has been proven.

Nope, that's what Google's for

[Gone fishing]

Chipper said:

loudlashadjuster said:

I don't think it's a case of Mercedes "claiming" anything. They have managed to satisfy the various regulatory and insurance bodies that their systems manage SAE L3 and Tesla...haven't.

You are correct however, it's evident that its practical utility is akin to that of a chocolate teapot.

They’ve achieved the first step of a consumer grade L3 system from which they can grow and expand the features and environment on which it can used.

The chocolate teapot is the Tesla system that does all that but you can’t trust it so you spend your time second guessing when it’s going to try and kill you.

[Chipper]

EmailAddress said:

Chipper said:

EmailAddress said:

Also, Tesla have killed people bodging their way there...

Making a statement that Tesla has been involved in fatalities is quite bold. I'm anticipating you'll now share various links or instances where Tesla has faced legal action related to manslaughter which has been proven.

Nope, that's what Google's for

Oh, by all means, enlighten me! I'm clearly incapable of mastering the intricacies of a search engine, and surely, no one in their right mind would just toss around claims of Tesla causing manslaughter on an open forum without a solid stash of evidence.

Come on, don't be coy, you mischievous rascal. Share it with the whole gang for a good show!

[EmailAddress]

Chipper said:

EmailAddress said:

Chipper said:

EmailAddress said:

Also, Tesla have killed people bodging their way there...

Making a statement that Tesla has been involved in fatalities is quite bold. I'm anticipating you'll now share various links or instances where Tesla has faced legal action related to manslaughter which has been proven.

Nope, that's what Google's for

Oh, by all means, enlighten me! I'm clearly incapable of mastering the intricacies of a search engine, and surely, no one in their right mind would just toss around claims of Tesla causing manslaughter on an open forum without a solid stash of evidence.

Come on, don't be coy, you mischievous rascal. Share it with the whole gang for a good show!

Unproven headline catching claim √
Insinuating info dump √
Track record of taking bks (me, for the exclusion of doubt) √

That'll be a $100 deposit if you'd like the opportunity to know more in the future.

[Chipper]

EmailAddress said:

Unproven headline catching claim ?
Insinuating info dump ?
Track record of taking bks (me, for the exclusion of doubt) ?

That'll be a $100 deposit if you'd like the opportunity to know more in the future.

Caught ya, you mischievous trickster! Seems like you're just having a bit of fun and maybe ruffling some feathers with the Tesla fanboys of which I certainly am.

[EmailAddress]

Chipper said:

EmailAddress said:

Unproven headline catching claim ?
Insinuating info dump ?
Track record of taking bks (me, for the exclusion of doubt) ?

That'll be a $100 deposit if you'd like the opportunity to know more in the future.

Caught ya, you mischievous trickster! Seems like you're just having a bit of fun and maybe ruffling some feathers with the Tesla fanboys of which I certainly am.

I'll tell you where I'm coming from - and it's super boring.

Marketing.

I don't like vehicles that purport to be one thing and turn out another.

I don't like class-leading claims which cause a stir but turn out to be unobtainium.

I don't like snake oil salesman, or loss leaders, or shrinkflation (not relevant here), or any other kind of buy me tricks.

If it's an apple, I want green and red. From a tree. At a price that's fair for everyone involved in the growing process. When (if) I want to purchase an apple, I would like it to be as advertised.

The Cybertruck has the sniff of something really interesting, groundbreaking, unique. But it's being lured towards the rocks of corporate bullst and that's something I will forever be disappointed in, and will protect my own fragile self-belief in a righteous World by mocking mercilessly.

So I'm just gonna have a cry in the corner of my own Thread now. Hoping for the Utopia we all deserve...

[Gone fishing]

How much evidence do you want?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-fsd-autopilo...

Tesla’s get out is that it’s level 2 - they take no responsibility and the driver is accountable and should take over when required

So Tesla’s obligation after these investigations is to do more to stop drivers abusing the system, and guess what, they have..

Let’s not forget initially did nothing, you could climb in the back of the car, passenger seat, read a news paper or watch a Disney film, often just before you decapitated yourself going under an articulated lorry. The investigation said Tesla needed to do more to stop people being idiots

And these are the bad crashes - what about all the fire trucks people have crashed into on the US?

[DodgyGeezer]

swisstoni said:

Although build quality isn’t of the highest quality apparently, has anyone seen a rusty Tesla? I don’t recall it myself.

to be fair you don't see many rusty cars these days (certainly not compared to pre 2000's

Hans_Gruber said:

EmailAddress said:

None of it is bulletproof for standard calibre. The glass won't be openable if somehow they do spec it. Pointless.
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What is a “standard” calibre? The car paraded on social media was shot up with .45 ACP. The most prevalent gun in the US is a handgun, 99% of which are chambered in less powerful 9mm.

I wouldn’t get too upset about it - it’s a sales gimmick. Nothing different than Mercedes plumbed in perfume, BMW’s useless “gesture control”, diamond headlights or “drift mode”. Sales gimmicks work though, so people can boast about a feature they will never use. Thank god we laugh at bulletproof cars, maybe the in the US it will be a standard safety feature.

I once spent a lot of money (to me) on a lightweight Porsche. Thought it was extra money well spent until my 19 stone mate, who I used to do trackdays with, pointed out that he was always in the passenger seat anyway

not quite - a .45 is a bigger bullet than a 9mm for sure - however, it isn't more 'powerful' (there are a number of different factors determining the penetrative ability of a bullet)... anywho have a read of the below:

On October 20, Musk said on Twitter that Tesla demonstrated the Cybertruck's bulletproofing by firing "the entire drum magazine of a Tommy gun into the driver door Al Capone style." He refers of course to the Thompson submachine gun, an early automatic weapon famed for its use by the U.S. military and organized crime. But the Thompson doesn't fire the 9mm Parabellum round that Tesla said the Cybertruck could withstand. It's chambered in .45 ACP, and the distinction can't be overlooked when evaluating the Cybertruck's protection.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-isn...

Hans_Gruber said:

CoolHands said:

Vehicle the size of a house. Can’t fit push bike in it.

I don’t get pickups, and this won’t be sold in the UK anyway. The size of its bed won’t be the issue, Ford sell around 1.8 million F150s a year in the US and they don’t fit bikes in either!

meh - that's what bed-extenders are for:

[Chipper]

Gone fishing said:

How much evidence do you want?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-fsd-autopilo...

Tesla’s get out is that it’s level 2 - they take no responsibility and the driver is accountable and should take over when required

So Tesla’s obligation after these investigations is to do more to stop drivers abusing the system, and guess what, they have..

Let’s not forget initially did nothing, you could climb in the back of the car, passenger seat, read a news paper or watch a Disney film, often just before you decapitated yourself going under an articulated lorry. The investigation said Tesla needed to do more to stop people being idiots

And these are the bad crashes - what about all the fire trucks people have crashed into on the US?

So, let me get this straight – sharing a link is your version of solid evidence? Here's a real challenge for you: find me a case where Tesla was charged and proven guilty of manslaughter. Because, you know, it's not Tesla's fault if someone decides to have a few too many drinks, hops in the back seat, and expects the car to chauffeur them around. The warning is crystal clear – "keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times." Not to mention, every time the driver engages autopilot, they're hit with a visual reminder: "keep your hands on the wheel."

Sure, there might be incidents, but let's put things in perspective. Considering the staggering number of deaths on North American roads (over 40,000 per year), the AI capability with FSD has the potential to revolutionise safety and save lives. The impact could be a game-changer compared to the current state of deaths on our roads.

[Gone fishing]

Chipper said:

So, let me get this straight – sharing a link is your version of solid evidence? Here's a real challenge for you: find me a case where Tesla was charged and proven guilty of manslaughter. Because, you know, it's not Tesla's fault if someone decides to have a few too many drinks, hops in the back seat, and expects the car to chauffeur them around. The warning is crystal clear – "keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times." Not to mention, every time the driver engages autopilot, they're hit with a visual reminder: "keep your hands on the wheel."

Sure, there might be incidents, but let's put things in perspective. Considering the staggering number of deaths on North American roads (over 40,000 per year), the AI capability with FSD has the potential to revolutionise safety and save lives. The impact could be a game-changer compared to the current state of deaths on our roads.

They won’t be because it’s a level 2 system- they have been investigated time and again because of accidents when their software has been in use and the defence is ‘its level 2 and the driver is responsible’.

I’ve explained this once today, what are you expecting? Company who make software that’s not responsible for driving is held liable because drivers mistakenly assume it’s responsible.

Are you denying there have been no accidents as a result of drivers not paying attention when the software is engaged? And if you accept there have been, and you’d be a fool to say there haven’t been any, then that by definition tells you it’s not self driving

[CoolHands]

nerd fight

[Chipper]

Gone fishing said:

Chipper said:

So, let me get this straight – sharing a link is your version of solid evidence? Here's a real challenge for you: find me a case where Tesla was charged and proven guilty of manslaughter. Because, you know, it's not Tesla's fault if someone decides to have a few too many drinks, hops in the back seat, and expects the car to chauffeur them around. The warning is crystal clear – "keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times." Not to mention, every time the driver engages autopilot, they're hit with a visual reminder: "keep your hands on the wheel."

Sure, there might be incidents, but let's put things in perspective. Considering the staggering number of deaths on North American roads (over 40,000 per year), the AI capability with FSD has the potential to revolutionise safety and save lives. The impact could be a game-changer compared to the current state of deaths on our roads.

They won’t be because it’s a level 2 system- they have been investigated time and again because of accidents when their software has been in use and the defence is ‘its level 2 and the driver is responsible’.

I’ve explained this once today, what are you expecting? Company who make software that’s not responsible for driving is held liable because drivers mistakenly assume it’s responsible.

Are you denying there have been no accidents as a result of drivers not paying attention when the software is engaged? And if you accept there have been, and you’d be a fool to say there haven’t been any, then that by definition tells you it’s not self driving

Hold on a sec. You dive into my tiff with EmailAddress, dragging me into your post with a headline "How much evidence do you want?" – all dramatic, trying to make it seem like you've got some bombshell. But nope, congrats on linking me to a website that's basically a meet up for lonely people who want to compile every Tesla accident in one place. Good job, but it has zilch to do with Tesla being proven for manslaughter.

Then you hit me with the classic "I've explained it once today, what are you expecting?" Seriously? Am I supposed to read your mind? I've already mentioned that Tesla insists you keep your hands on the steering wheel. Ever heard the saying, "Play with fire, get burned"? Polite version, of course.

And to cap off the night, you throw in "Are you denying there have been no accidents?" Hold up, I never claimed it's flawless. Still not sure why the Tesla vendetta – did you sell at $120 this year ?

It's called Beta for a reason. Accidents will happen, hence the "keep your hands on the wheel" mantra. But here's the kicker – if they nail it (which I think they will), it could save loads of lives like i stated– something we should all be rooting for.

At the end of the day though “You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs," so yeah, i expect quite a few crashes on the way and also im afraid to say casualties too.

[Chipper]

CoolHands said:

nerd fight

Ouch, that stings.

[loudlashadjuster]

HNGSYM

[Gone fishing]

Chipper said:

Hold on a sec. You dive into my tiff with EmailAddress, dragging me into your post with a headline "How much evidence do you want?" – all dramatic, trying to make it seem like you've got some bombshell. But nope, congrats on linking me to a website that's basically a meet up for lonely people who want to compile every Tesla accident in one place. Good job, but it has zilch to do with Tesla being proven for manslaughter.

Then you hit me with the classic "I've explained it once today, what are you expecting?" Seriously? Am I supposed to read your mind? I've already mentioned that Tesla insists you keep your hands on the steering wheel. Ever heard the saying, "Play with fire, get burned"? Polite version, of course.

And to cap off the night, you throw in "Are you denying there have been no accidents?" Hold up, I never claimed it's flawless. Still not sure why the Tesla vendetta – did you sell at $120 this year ?

It's called Beta for a reason. Accidents will happen, hence the "keep your hands on the wheel" mantra. But here's the kicker – if they nail it (which I think they will), it could save loads of lives like i stated– something we should all be rooting for.

At the end of the day though “You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs," so yeah, i expect quite a few crashes on the way and also im afraid to say casualties too.

You've a funny idea what "self driving" means, I think most peoples definition is where the car drives itself and doesn;t need a driver like a learner on their second day

You seem to have no clue on what the differnet SAE levels really mean, what Tesla are doing, what they're not doing, what Merc are doing, what the regulations say and now just hide behind the word "beta"

Its not 'beta; Level 3+ software", its "beta level 2 software", it can't even reliably do driver assist without brake checking the car behind periodically or trying to leave the road at junctions then changing its mind half way through

Be worth you reading up on the definition of "beta software" too - ibeta software is meant to work but is being released to a controlled subset of users to flush out any real world scenarios that testing has over looked. So thats a fail too, it doesn't work yet, it tries but fails, and it doesn;t even try in the UK 7 years after Tesla started taking money for it. .

Just take a look at parking sensors and Tesla Vision.. the replacement, a year on, still hasnlt replaced features that went missing and Tesla joke and say its reached the same level as the parking sensors - sure it has.. so why does it not allow auto park? Because it will simply crash.

[Chipper]

Gone fishing said:

Chipper said:

Hold on a sec. You dive into my tiff with EmailAddress, dragging me into your post with a headline "How much evidence do you want?" – all dramatic, trying to make it seem like you've got some bombshell. But nope, congrats on linking me to a website that's basically a meet up for lonely people who want to compile every Tesla accident in one place. Good job, but it has zilch to do with Tesla being proven for manslaughter.

Then you hit me with the classic "I've explained it once today, what are you expecting?" Seriously? Am I supposed to read your mind? I've already mentioned that Tesla insists you keep your hands on the steering wheel. Ever heard the saying, "Play with fire, get burned"? Polite version, of course.

And to cap off the night, you throw in "Are you denying there have been no accidents?" Hold up, I never claimed it's flawless. Still not sure why the Tesla vendetta – did you sell at $120 this year ?

It's called Beta for a reason. Accidents will happen, hence the "keep your hands on the wheel" mantra. But here's the kicker – if they nail it (which I think they will), it could save loads of lives like i stated– something we should all be rooting for.

At the end of the day though “You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs," so yeah, i expect quite a few crashes on the way and also im afraid to say casualties too.

You've a funny idea what "self driving" means, I think most peoples definition is where the car drives itself and doesn;t need a driver like a learner on their second day

You seem to have no clue on what the differnet SAE levels really mean, what Tesla are doing, what they're not doing, what Merc are doing, what the regulations say and now just hide behind the word "beta"

Its not 'beta; Level 3+ software", its "beta level 2 software", it can't even reliably do driver assist without brake checking the car behind periodically or trying to leave the road at junctions then changing its mind half way through

Be worth you reading up on the definition of "beta software" too - ibeta software is meant to work but is being released to a controlled subset of users to flush out any real world scenarios that testing has over looked. So thats a fail too, it doesn't work yet, it tries but fails, and it doesn;t even try in the UK 7 years after Tesla started taking money for it. .

Just take a look at parking sensors and Tesla Vision.. the replacement, a year on, still hasnlt replaced features that went missing and Tesla joke and say its reached the same level as the parking sensors - sure it has.. so why does it not allow auto park? Because it will simply crash.

Oh, joy! I sense a masterclass in trolling from you. From the riveting world of random links, I'm now graced with your enlightening statements about what I apparently know and understand.

Firstly, you generously inform me, "You have a funny idea of what self-driving means." Oh, splendid! Could you please enlighten me on "my idea"? I must have missed the grand unveiling of my profound thoughts. It's like a dig, but hey, maybe my sensitivity dial is just a bit too high.

Then there's the gem, "You seem to have no idea what SAE levels mean." My bad! I must have missed the part where I earned my PhD in SAE banter. Despite my lack of discourse on SAE, you've found it fitting to make sweeping statements about my understanding. Bravo!

I'm thrilled to know you understand the basics of the 5 levels of autonomy. It's heartwarming how you appreciate the challenges of reaching level 4, let alone 5. But it's genuinely odd how you confidently make sweeping statements about me. I haven't claimed to be an automotive guru, but please, enlighten me further.

Ah, the word "beta," my shield and armor! I'm not hiding; I'm flaunting it. The Tesla system commands, nay, demands both hands on the steering wheel. I graciously brought up the beta after your crash-landing into my discussion, promising manslaughter proof but delivering a saga of crashes—probably from those rebels not following the sacred guidelines.

[Gone fishing]

Chipper said:

I'm thrilled to know you understand the basics of the 5 levels of autonomy

There are 6 levels, it starts at 0

I rest my case, you clearly don't know anything about the topic.